This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

My instinct is that Trump will handle this so badly that he will make it all worse rather than start solving anything.
Meanwhile T-shirts with the slogan 'your body, my choice' are for sale on Amazon.

Sorry, no.
I should have been clearer.

She meant transwomen.
So actual men.

You couldn't make it up.

Good God.

We can supply the conclusions from
leading world paediatric specialists if you need to find the place to start.

Here is the first. The Cass Report.

cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/CassReview_Final.pdf

And by all means look for rebuttals on this. But why would the UK Labour Party be fully supportive of this report if Cass hadn’t considered all the evidence that some discreditors have tried to push.

And then question why four other country’s medical authorities did similar in-depth reviews and found the same thing? All independently.

So no. Your support of these treatments is harmful.

and social transition also has significant issues as well. It makes a child feel they have to persist in an identity and not change their mind, it also reinforces an identity that requires society to affirm this person’s belief to the detriment of other people’s needs.

It is not harmless. At all. You seem misinformed.

It is not harmless. At all. You seem misinformed

You might call it that. I couldn't possibly comment

I watched bbc news yesterday and they had a radio presenter on from Pittsburg: he said callers to his programme were union men who had voted democrat all their lives but were fed up of the gender workers and agenda and had voted republican and trump because of it this time.

The other commentator, a young black woman, did concede
that democrats had perhaps spent too much time pandering to the trans/gender agenda.

i did not see a repeat of this interview.

Trump was never going to lose against mixed race woman. If the Democrats want to win, their candidate needs to be male. That is the reality of misogyny/racism in the US.

I think the Democrats need to move past this being their analysis of the loss. It really doesn't address the failings.

To add Nevada was just declared for Trump, Republican for the first time in 20 years. It looks like he might get all swing states

Thank you! I will definitely read this, my opinion is mostly formed by a couple acquaintances through job/university who have transitioned to a different gender and say they are happier.

This is not what political commentators are saying.

Antony Scaramucci on The Rest Is Politics was clear that it was an issue for voters, especially for young black male voters interestingly.

He made the point that young mothers were fed up of their daughters not having fairness in sport and on this OP on young mothers being furious that their children are being reprimanded in schools for making pronoun errors, amongst other things.

It is worth a listen if you are interested in what the voters really cared about.

I thought this was a good article about it
https://www.thefp.com/p/democrats-kamala-abortion-trans-trump

I’m not a Democrat, I’m not even American. There are failings on both sides. But there’s a white male candidate only one side. If Biden had been replaced by a cowboy-boot wearing macho Democrat, we would not be having this conversation.

They had a choice.

Some of them chose to vote for the rapist.

I am gender critical. I am concerned about protecting single sex spaces. I am horrified at some of the propaganda that is being aimed at young children in attempts to dismiss the realities of human biology in favour of the trans agenda.

However, I cannot wrap my head around why anyone who cares about women's rights would even consider voting for a rapist who has talked quite openly about how he sexually assaults women, and doesn't believe that women should have the constitutional right to make decisions about their own bodies.

Are we really now saying that we are willing to tolerate and turn a blind eye to rape/sexual assault as long as it is committed by someone who knows what a woman is? What is the actual point of protecting women's spaces if we're willing to give power to men like Trump who are going to rape and assault women anyway?

I just don't get it.

What do you mean by 'transitioned to a different gender' here? Do you mean presenting as the opposite sex?

Most people don't have a problem with people wearing clothes/make up or doing jobs/sports/activities traditionally associated with the opposite sex. It's insisting that they ARE the opposite sex for all circumstances that causes issues.

They changed their names and pronouns, I didn't ask questions about hormones/surgery as I thought that would be invasive.

I'd seriously suggest you have a listen to The Rest Is Politics podcast from yesterday.

It goes a long way to explaining it.

The presenters are left leaning and are not explicitly gender critical so it's not biased towards Trump or GC.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

https://therestispolitics.supportingcast.fm/listen

Several years ago, we saw this transgender issue as a major way to break ground and win over swing voters, and even some soft Democrats,” Terry Schilling, a conservative strategist, told The Daily Wire this week. Schilling said he showed Trump “voter impact research” demonstrating that the trans issue “shifted tens of thousands of votes in Arizona” as well as 72,000 votes in Wisconsin in 2022. “We wanted to make sure that he knew that this is a winning issue,” Schilling added.

Looks like he listened

The Trump campaign spent roughly $215 million on political ads targeting Harris’s transgender stance.

fucking hell. That's a lot of money.

ok. But are they adults and transitioned as adults? And have they received even adequate mental health support initially to make that decision? And have they socially transitioned with no medical intervention?

It is a very complex situation and sadly, once you scratch the surface it appears that politically driven agendas have been allowed to displace evidence. And that transitioning children has been part of that agenda which has been allowed to make children's mental health even worse. Because, who the fuck thrives while being told that people questioning whether it is a healthy thing to allow children to make irreversible or harmful decisions on what has been now shown to be only someone's belief.

There is no evidence to support that a child is the other sex because they say they are. There is only evidence that some children say this, but no evidence as to why and what this actually means.

Here are some more links (plus plenty on the SEGM.org site):

This first is a bit of a link chain.

5 False Assumptions Behind Youth Gender Transitions

2nd Jan 2023

www.realityslaststand.com/p/5-false-assumptions-behind-youth

Here is the original

segm.org/false-assumptions-gender-affirmation-minors

( segm.org )

[This reviewed Stephen M. Rosenthal‘s paper in Nature, 10 August 2021:

“Challenges in the care of transgender and gender-diverse youth: an endocrinologist’s view”

www.nature.com/articles/s41574-021-00535-9 ]

The five unproven assumptions are:

Unproven Assumption 1: Gender identity, which underlies gender dysphoria, is a fundamental personal characteristic that is biologically “ingrained.”

Unproven Assumption 2: The sharp rise in the number of youth presenting with gender dysphoria does not signal a true increase in cases—it’s merely better detection.

False Assumption 3: Medical interventions in gender-dysphoric minors have clear eligibility criteria.

False Assumption 4: Medical interventions for gender dysphoric minors have been demonstrated to be safe and effective.

Unproven Assumption 5: Detransition does not represent medical harm and is rare.

Here are some of the finding from other countries:

1 This is a report on* the Swedish *changes - based on lack of evidence.

genderreport.ca/the-swedish-u-turn-on-gender-transitioning/

1. An Australian gender clinic paper

This study is well worth a read because it shows how other people's well intentioned support can directly harm children.

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/26344041211010777

Published April 22, 2021
Kasia Kozlowska, Georgia McClure et al

Australian children and adolescents with gender dysphoria: Clinical presentations and challenges experienced by a multidisciplinary team and gender service

3 France - declares there is not enough evidence. The latest from National Academy of Medicine, France. They have issued a press release about treatment for gender disphoria in children and adolescents.

SEGM have translated it, but also linked up the original version.

segm.org/France-cautions-regarding-puberty-blockers-and-cross-sex-hormones-for-youth

Here is a report on this year's information leak into the workings and the findings of the lobby group WPATH that shows a little on how all this has come about:

Here is one link to the WPATH pdf
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56a45d683b0be33df885def6/t/65e64b9e5cbd756da9fbbdfa/1709591479160/Final+WPATH+Report.pdf

and another just in case the other one doesn't work.
https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/wpath-files

Here is a threadreader version of a quick summary of these files by Michael Shellenberger. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1764799914918490287.html

Here is a documentary about how the gender affirming treatment came about and its flaws and refers to a recent UK team that reanalysed the initial data of the Dutch team and points out how it was always weak.

Here is the reanalysed study. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2023.2281986

Psychological Outcomes of 12–15-Year-Olds with Gender Dysphoria Receiving Pubertal Suppression in the UK: Assessing Reliable and Clinically Significant Change

And this is just some... we have plenty more.

I wouldn't do that either. But nor would I vote for someone who approves the mutilation of people's, particularly children's, bodies to deal with their psychological issues.

I will certainly listen later, but I'm very sceptical as to whether two men will be able to persuade me that it's ever reasonable to turn a blind eye to rape and sexual assault, or to put that kind of man in a position of such power. I'll come back and let you know what I think when I've listened.

He just flips any way for votes, it's not so long ago he was dissing North Carolina for making toilets single-sex:

*North Carolina should allow people to “use the bathroom they feel is appropriate,” Donald Trump said this morning of the state’s new law that bans people from using bathrooms that don't match the sex indicated on their birth certificate.

“North Carolina did something that was very strong,” the Republican presidential front-runner told “The Today Show.” “And they're paying a big price,” a reference to the growing economic boycott against the state.
Trump Wants Harriet Tubman on $2 Bill

State lawmakers should “leave it the way it is,” he added.
Asked whether Caitlyn Jenner would be free to use any bathroom she wanted if she walked into Trump Tower, he said, “That is correct.”*

abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-caitlyn-jenner-bathroom-tower/story?id=38566263

@Mirabai you're not American or a Democrat, I am both and I disagree that a white man with the same policies and campaign as Harris would have won. My little town voted for Obama, and voted for Hilary Clinton, and now has voted for Trump. Black man, white woman, they haven't had an issue before so why they would now decide that a black woman is a bridge too far. What is far more likely is that they don't feel better off than they did 4 years ago, and they don't feel like the country is on the right track for the future. When they hear Kamala say "we're not going back" that doesn't hit home, especially when maybe they'd quite like to go back to 4 years ago, or even to the Obama years.

You find a black woman who has the policies they want and saying what they want to hear, they'll have zero issues voting for her. The parallel is Tory voters who were very happy to vote for Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, Kemi Badenoch as leader, etc.

You could just as easily (and spuriously) argue it's the 14 million Dem voters who voted for Biden last time but stayed home on Tuesday who are the racist sexist ones because they were willing to vote for a white male Dem but not a black female Dem. Like you could say that it's mad that we've had THREE female Tory PMs and one non-white Tory PM, and yet apart from Harold Wilson, there has not been a Labour PM this century who has won an election hasn't been a white, male, straight Oxbridge educated man, and all have either been a barrister or an Oxford don! When as of 2024, there hasn't even been a female or minority leader of the Labour party in opposition yet, let alone a PM. But I don't see people saying that the Tories were voted out in July because voters are racist and sexist.

As @EasternStandard says, until the Democrats are able to move beyond calling Trump voters racist, sexist, transphobic and stupid, they will keep losing and deservedly so.

It's well recognised that there is a lot of social contagion to this issue. Much like pro ana sites.

And anyway most women's objection isn't necessarily about individuals. It's entirely understandable why women might want to opt out of being female in this day and age.

It's the ideology behind it.

It's saying that you can feel like the opposite sex, based on the way you think, how you want to behave, or what you want to wear.

It can only ever be stereotypes that you're talking about. How can a man ever actually feel like a woman? He likes knitting? Lippy?

Feminism says that men can feel however they like, they should not be constrained by social stereotyping.

Whereas transgenderism says in order to express yourself you have to conform to social stereotyping, of the opposite sex.

It's regressive and sexist.

Plus, there very many men for whom it's a sexual fetish.

Transvestites in old money. This is a brilliant, groundbreaking short film made by women who have been married to these men.

It would appear that many men want to behave like their own, pornified version of women, because it's arousing.

Whilst many women want to avoid being pornified by behaving like men.

Whichever way you cut it up, it benefits men, and disadvantages women.

Prison is a particularly stark example.

A rapist gets given access to incarcerated women as part of his sentence. Whereas women get forced into a confined space with rapists as part of theirs.

You are right. People don't exactly like Trump but the Democrats are now too woke. I know many Americans who voted for Trump because of these gender issues, allowing abortion up to birth (some states) and uncontrolled immigration.

You have the conservatives and normal people, not too conservative, who agree to an early abortion but no way a full term baby or a baby who would already survive outside the womb with no other voting alternative. The democrats are too left and there's no other "middle" candidate.

Then you have Kamala not doing anything regarding illegal immigration and promising gender reassignment surgeries to all illegals who request. If I were a taxpayer, I wouldn't want my money to fund that. Illegal immigrants are allowed to take government benefits which no citizen likes.

The main problem was lack of choices.