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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is why so many women voted Trump

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BabyLlamaZen · 07/11/2024 22:13

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

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Helleofabore · 08/11/2024 11:01

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 10:50

That's what the child wrote in a final post, that parents and others were not supportive and that's why they were doing this. Maybe something additional was going on at home where there was no kindness at all.

It has been proven without any doubt that those children declaring they are transgender usually have at least one, usually numerous comorbid issues. Including pre-existing trauma, depression and anxiety.

They ARE vulnerable. And they need extensive support. It is not proven however that medical treatment for their gender identity improves this. They deserve kindness. Kindness is not only gender affirming treatment and kindness is not telling children that they are hated and going to commit suicide and that they will die without their gender being affirmed.

Shortshriftandlethal · 08/11/2024 11:02

Shortshriftandlethal · 08/11/2024 10:53

Yes, but it was being pushed as the main agenda by west coast /progressive, elite women - who, to many, come across as archetypal career oriented 'feminists'. Also lots of young female college students.

I watched an interview, immediately post Trump victory, which involved a quite intimidating female interviewer ( could have been Victoria Derbyshire?), two left wing women ( one a Labour MP, the other an American Democrat); a Republican woman, and an English, male Conservative MP. The atmosphere was taught and brittle and the two Democrat women could barely contain their contempt for the polite Republican woman, and the male MP was scared to even talk - due the two 'furies' on either side.

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Taut, not taught

potatocakesinprogress · 08/11/2024 11:02

Trans issues aren't a big topic in the US currently like they are here, they've gone backwards to revisiting abortion. I really doubt women voted for Trump because of it, they were far more likely to vote for Trump because they believed he would do a better job with the economy, which was a top 3 issue (or just straight out top in a number of states). And because of Roe v Wade in the southern Christian/cult states. Trans issues weren't even mentioned in the debates or speeches, so I highly doubt that they or a random book in a bookstore (assuming it's even real, since we don't appear to have a title or author) had anything to do with it. I think you're overlaying popular topics and your own prejudices here and assuming it's the same there.

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:03

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 10:59

That's what the child wrote in a final post, that parents and others were not supportive and that's why they were doing this.

You should never consider suicide as a causal thing. It's multi factorial. I would look at who the child was talking to online, and what sort of media they were consuming.

Of course it's many factor but this child did not feel like they were loved and accepted by their family and society for who they were, although they were not causing any harm to others. I know the feeling and it's awful. (I have a disability so I am different in that way)

Datun · 08/11/2024 11:04

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 10:50

That's what the child wrote in a final post, that parents and others were not supportive and that's why they were doing this. Maybe something additional was going on at home where there was no kindness at all.

I should imagine the authorities will be scrutinising her social media. Because There is no evidence to suggest trans identity causes suicide in children.

So it will be something else. And her online presence will be the key.

Transactivists target children and make them believe that everybody hates them, because they are born in the wrong body. When, of course, there is no such thing.

It's highly manipulative. Her poor family.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:04

It has been proven without any doubt that those children declaring they are transgender usually have at least one, usually numerous comorbid issues. Including pre-existing trauma, depression and anxiety.

They're also significantly more likely to be autistic.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 08/11/2024 11:04

Thatsenoughcoffee · 08/11/2024 10:27

I saw a Trump advert on X where he’s speaking to camera about how he’s going to end the transgender insanity. It was amazing! I actually wondered if it was real.

So I Googled Trump transgender advert imagining that would bring it up for me.

What I got instead was dozens of screeching hysterical progressive news articles about how horrific Trump’s anti-transgender adverts are. But not the actual advert. And zero results from centrist or conservative sources.

Google obviously sees their role not to return search results but to censor and correct wrong think.

I use Google as little as possible and I’m glad that AI charbots are superseding it.

I did the same when I saw it on here last night, got the same lack of info via Google and actually posted here wondering.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:05

Of course it's many factor but this child did not feel like they were loved and accepted by their family and society for who they were, although they were not causing any harm to others.

You can't change sex, and the idea that you can does cause harm to others. It's not kind to give children the idea that everyone will believe they are the opposite sex. They don't, and they won't.

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:06

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:04

It has been proven without any doubt that those children declaring they are transgender usually have at least one, usually numerous comorbid issues. Including pre-existing trauma, depression and anxiety.

They're also significantly more likely to be autistic.

So if something like changing their gender (without hormones or surgery, which physically harm health) makes them feel better, more like their true self, what's the harm?

TempestTost · 08/11/2024 11:06

PermanentTemporary · 08/11/2024 09:21

@Shortshriftandlethal I don't think this is borne out by the results at all. Propositions (is that the right word?) improving or protecting access to abortion have been passed in multiple states on the same ballot where Trump won the presidency. I would deduce from that that many voters do think access to abortion is important but prioritise getting it legally protected in their state rather than voting Democrat nationally. Or they don't think that a Democrat president can or will be able to get anything passed that protects access to abortion nationally. I think that's a rational view.

This seems to be something a lot of people in the UK struggle with understanding - many Americans are used to their states being in control of a lot of the important legislation in their lives. That's how the country is structured and people like it that way. They don't necessarily like the federal government sticking their oar in, even if they agree with it's stance on an issue.

None of them are prevented from influencing their local state laws and in fact because it's a smaller unit they may feel they have more influence there.

I also think people need to get away from this "Trump got rid of Roe" thinking. No, he had some influence on appointing judges, but it was a legal decision, by the Supreme Court. They didn't just make it up, there is a whole legal decision that's explained in pretty clear detail for anyone that is interested in reading it. It's telling to me that it's uncommon to see people who have actually read the judgement make a legal argument around it's reasoning.

People seem to hate Clarence Thomas, but he's no idiot, and he's a very clear and concise writer, it's not hard to read his judgments. I've never seen anything that makes me think he's made shit up in order to get to some predetermined answer, his views on issues seem to come out of a very careful legal mind.

Roe fell because it wasn't a watertight legal decision, not because Trump wanted it gone. If you use the courts to legislate, that's always going to be the danger.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:07

There is no such thing as "changing your gender". It's meaningless. What you mean is asking everyone to pretend that they think you are the opposite sex.

Circumferences · 08/11/2024 11:08

Wrt "Stepping out in front of a semi" post
Firstly, the claim that "everyone will kill themselves" is number 4 in gender ideology myths.

Secondly, women have the right not to be confronted by anyone's "semi" when they're in women only spaces. We all know how that swimmer was very proud of theirs.

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:09

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:07

There is no such thing as "changing your gender". It's meaningless. What you mean is asking everyone to pretend that they think you are the opposite sex.

Changing their name and appearance to be perceived as a different gender, then.

Datun · 08/11/2024 11:09

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:06

So if something like changing their gender (without hormones or surgery, which physically harm health) makes them feel better, more like their true self, what's the harm?

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It's a lie. That's what the harm is. Human beings cannot change sex. And the way you think does not dictate what sex you are. That's sexism.

If the child wanted to wear clothing coded to the opposite sex, then they can.

That's feminism.

Shortshriftandlethal · 08/11/2024 11:09

potatocakesinprogress · 08/11/2024 11:02

Trans issues aren't a big topic in the US currently like they are here, they've gone backwards to revisiting abortion. I really doubt women voted for Trump because of it, they were far more likely to vote for Trump because they believed he would do a better job with the economy, which was a top 3 issue (or just straight out top in a number of states). And because of Roe v Wade in the southern Christian/cult states. Trans issues weren't even mentioned in the debates or speeches, so I highly doubt that they or a random book in a bookstore (assuming it's even real, since we don't appear to have a title or author) had anything to do with it. I think you're overlaying popular topics and your own prejudices here and assuming it's the same there.

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I saw vox pop sessions after the Trump victory and some Trump voters did mention the transgender phenomenon.....it may not have been the sole, motivating factor, but it certainly formed part of a broader picture of disenchantment with progressive politics.

Circumferences · 08/11/2024 11:10

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:09

Changing their name and appearance to be perceived as a different gender, then.

Unfortunately, people have eyes.

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:10

Datun · 08/11/2024 11:09

It's a lie. That's what the harm is. Human beings cannot change sex. And the way you think does not dictate what sex you are. That's sexism.

If the child wanted to wear clothing coded to the opposite sex, then they can.

That's feminism.

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I mean, political promises are a lie, churches are a lie, Santa Claus is a lie, but those are accepted in society as ok.

jellyfrizz · 08/11/2024 11:10

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:06

So if something like changing their gender (without hormones or surgery, which physically harm health) makes them feel better, more like their true self, what's the harm?

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Gender (sex role stereotypes) is harmful, why tell boys or girls they have to behave in certain ways and like certain things purely because of their sex? It would be better to get rid of these expectations. How can you be your true self by pretending to be something you're not?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:11

I mean, political promises are a lie, churches are a lie, Santa Claus is a lie, but those are accepted in society as ok.

And equally, it's fine in society for people to disbelieve them and call them out.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:13

The evidence that "transitioning" helps these young people's mental health issues in the long term is simply not there.

Datun · 08/11/2024 11:15

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:10

I mean, political promises are a lie, churches are a lie, Santa Claus is a lie, but those are accepted in society as ok.

Indeed.

And you can believe in transgender ideology all you like. In fact, in this country, belief in it, and disbelief in it are both protected by law

But if forcing children to believe something that isn't true results in them killing themselves, then you're going to find people on a parenting website disagreeing with it.

nauticant · 08/11/2024 11:15

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:11

I mean, political promises are a lie, churches are a lie, Santa Claus is a lie, but those are accepted in society as ok.

And equally, it's fine in society for people to disbelieve them and call them out.

Although not necessarily in places like Iran.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:16

Far point, @nauticant

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/11/2024 11:16

Fair!

Datun · 08/11/2024 11:16

Kate8889 · 08/11/2024 11:10

I mean, political promises are a lie, churches are a lie, Santa Claus is a lie, but those are accepted in society as ok.

And they're actually not. Global wars are waged over less.

Although not Santa, obvs! Becauae that obviously is true.

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