This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

Tandora you are doing good public service work here today.

Yes. We're nearly on 40 pages and still going on.
Admirable.

It has everything to do with acronyms and language more broadly.

No one is denying that trans women's bodies are materially different from non-trans women's bodies. Everybody knows this.

You are arguing about the word "woman" which is a label - a word - used to describe people. You want jurisdiction over the use of this label. You don't have it.

I have no idea what "woosh" meant in response to my comment.

You've expended hundreds and hundreds of words, and failed utterly to explain it to grown up women.

Kids don't stand at chance

How can the children understand bollocks?

The adults understand it to be bollocks and are questioning why children are being taught bollocks.

It's just confusing the issue further.

How about we wait until children are much older before resorting to bollocks to try and explain a concept far above their actual ability to understand.

Adultification of young children is harmful.

Maybe try listening to the wisdom of your partner...

Men can't have a the 'human experience' of being a woman unless you see being a woman as simply a set of stereotypes. Most women don't see women as being a walking set of stereotypes.

That is regressive.

There is nothing progressive about it at all.

No-one is denying that transwomen's bodies are materially different from non-transwomen's bodies

You are, though.
And "non-transwomen" are women.

I am not giving my word away.

Actually I find that children understand these things much more easily as they haven't yet fully learned socially ingrained forms of prejudice that block understanding.

You are, though.

I'm not and I have no idea why you think this.

I'm not giving my word away

You don't own it.

It's the sound of a coherent sentence going over your head.

Its funny that someone so educated failed to understand this when everyone else did.

It's almost as if we talk a different language whilst you talk gobbledegook and say that book makes sense and is completely factual m

@Tandora women certainly do have jurisdiction over a word for biological woman.

Otherwise you are subverting its meaning to suit your own agenda. Which is what you are doing.

You are arguing about the word "woman" which is a label used to describe human experience.

Nope. It's a word to describe a female human. Specifically an adult female human, as opposed to a child female human, the word for which is "girl". It's an observation based on what the thing actually is.

Didn't we do this on page 1?

I'm not sure how you get to this, if you say you have read the Cass Review?

These are just some of the relevent key findings from the Cass Review:

- There is no simple explanation for the increase in the numbers of predominantly young people and young adults who have a trans or gender diverse identity, but there is broad agreement that it is a result of a complex interplay between biological, psychological and social factors. This balance of factors will be different in each individual.

- The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.

- Clinicians are unable to determine with any certainty which children and young people will go on to have an enduring trans identity.

- For the majority of young people, a medical pathway may not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems.

You want jurisdiction over the use of this label. You don't have it

The word "woman" isn't a label, and as a woman myself, I damn well do have jurisdiction over the word.

'prejudice' = sensible boundaries and understanding that there are times humans need protections based on their sexed bodies.

You are literally advocating for the removal of boundaries and saying it's prejudiced to have them.

NO THANK YOU.

'Woman' means a female of the species homo sapiens. The sex which conceives, carries and bears young - or has/had/could have had the potential to do that (i.e. has/had all, some, most of the relevant biology). Transwoman just means a man who identifies (for whatever reason) as a woman. He's not a woman and the epithet does not apply to him. Do learn some proper science - not to mention a bit of epistemology.
NB I am a woman. I am not a non-transwoman.

No one has jurisdiction over a word. That's not how language works.

You mean 'if we get in early enough, we can brainwash them before they work out what immutable means and how humans reproduce'.

Fair enough.

That is the single most worrying thing you've said.

=children are easily indoctrinated

😱

of course it's a label. It's a word used to describe certain persons.

Agreed it's about lowing boundaries for children. Vile.

Ha! Snap!

Women do own the word, and we're not going to give it away to men.

Game, set and match.