This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

@jellyfrizz that was in 2016. I think many of us would have agreed with Trump back then, I certainly would have. And I think a lot of us, including Trump, have been on quite a journey since then educating ourselves and seeing the evidence coming out.

‘The left kept pushing, the right pushed back.’

Not ‘the right’ , or at least not just ‘the right’. The middle, the uncommitted, the just plain horrified at what was going on in schools, colleges, hospitals, sports, the military. It has been too personally dangerous for many to express their opinion. Thank heavens for the secret ballot, the greatest weapon of democracy.

Yes, it's what politicians do, unfortunately.

Finding a politician with personal conviction is like hens teeth.

Which is why I don't really understand how the Democrats didn't notice which way the wind was blowing.

Marina Hyde is a female voice on there.

But take your point in general.

As to 'what is the harm of children transitioning'?

The harm is huge and complex.

Male children in female children's single sex spaces - including in toilets and changing rooms, in away from school accommodations.

Male children with male physical advantages (even before puberty) in female sports.

Female children's boundaries being lowered to accept that male people can ever be 'female' and how that works with safeguarding children, particularly female children.

Children in general being told that they have to support a falsehood that someone is something that they are materially not is also harmful. What other falsehoods do we want children to believe and actively ignore?

^The Trump campaign spent roughly $215 million on political ads targeting Harris’s transgender stance.

fucking hell. That's a lot of money.^

Trump is a rich puppet for some smart rich guys (Musk comes to mind). They wanted the win and they weren't chancing it.
Yeah, they have plenty of hate for trans ideology but that is not why they wanted to win. They want much more, and they want it for themselves only. And everybody who voted only because of the trans issues, basically cut off their nose to spite their face.

And at @MrsBennetsPoorNerves they're not attempting to persuade you in any event.

They are explaining the reasoning of others.

Yes it is.

I doubt that they would have cared about this enough if they hadn't realised it was a vote winner.

What is astonishing is that the Democrats failed to address it leaving an open goal.

If politicians are chasing votes, then they are going to try and be tuned to what people want.

He was more tuned on this issue, than Harris was.

I bet he personally thinks it's load of bollocks, but as it doesn't really affect him, doesn't much care.

Exactly.

Apparently, there were a lot of signs up saying Save Women's Sport. That 1% are messing with a lot of women's lives.

Yes. You've got women and girls in sport, all the children in schools with the stupid gender neutral toilets, girls coming out as trans like there's no tomorrow and the fear of saying anything, and men being allowed to access vulnerable women and children willy-nilly.

That's a lot of people being affected

I don't think his change of stance came from educating himself.

100%

In 2016 before all of the gender shit hit the fan and men were punching women in the face at boxing matches and "winning" women's golf tournaments I would have said the same. Eight years on and with the invasive woke narrative and injustices against women l, and changing terminology to suit a tiny faction of society has radically changed for the negative the view of many people -- a transition from compassionate and tolerant to outraged and in despair.

What is astonishing is that the Democrats failed to address it leaving an open goal.

It was too risky to address it properly without making it worse. Harris ran (in US terms) an extreme Left campaign when she ran against Biden, when the contest was within the Democrats. Since she became the candidate, the campaign tried to disown what she'd said several years ago by either claiming that at some point she'd advanced an opposing view or "fake news". Had Harris tried the disowning herself, not only was there a chance she'd have bungled it terribly, but had she been clear, she'd have risked causing a civil war with the Democratic activist base. She was stuck with that albatross and the hope was that the electorate either wouldn't notice or would be too polite to comment on it.

These are good points. I wonder if they will now see which side the political wind is blowing & slowly back down or whether they are true believers even though they know that it is not a vote winner.

Time will tell.

It was a massive problem then, more so than now because you weren't allowed to talk about it and declared a massive bigot for even asking questions.

Do a search on 'gender' in this forum from 2016 and prior to see.

While it may have annoyed people the real drive was the economy

when people are struggling to pay bills, rent and buy food with the fear of prices continue to increase this is the core of their concern day to day living

not the annoying woke agenda (not my words), not supporting the people in a country far away with their war against Putin or Hamas, not the we need to be kinder and the agenda of America was built on immigration non of this matters to many voters and the Democrat's thought it did

No. His advisors would have known which policies to push.

When Trump fought the 2016 election, he had to be told to be anti-abortion.

Because he wasn't, of course. Bannon told him he should pretend to be.

I think he probably did educate himself, in his own way - remember how active he always was on Twitter, and how he's always got Fox News running? I don't think he went off with an open mind and researched it but I'm sure he saw what kinds of people were supporting this horseshit online and saw very quickly which way the wind was blowing.

If you'd asked me in 2016 what bathroom Caitlyn Jenner should be using I probably would have said the same as Trump. It's not that long ago in real terms but there's a LOT that's happened since then that's made me change my mind, and why can't it be the same for Trump.

Personally I think his journey was less about how unfair it is for women and more about how fucking mad it is.

Although sport would definitely have made a dent.

Kostantin Kisin has done a 10 reasons why thing on Twitter - have to say he gets into the American mindset and makes some really relevant points.

Much of it is about illegal immigration. Also cost of living under Biden (which was probably mostly post pandemic/ Ukraine). Also Israel. The us is a very different culture to the UK and Europe.

We do tend to project European / British ideals and ideas onto US politics. It a very different country and people's

And also for all his faults he and his advisors are not stupid.

They know these issues matter to women.

They know that a lot of people will be deeply concerned about an agenda that chops body parts off children.

It won't be about his deep love of women's rights it will be about winning votes.

But Trump felt it was an issue worth spending 21 million dollars for ads on.