"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

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KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

Irrespective of where we live, we will feel a 2nd Trump presidency I can assure you.

We'll feel a presidency by a weak, incompetent candidate like Harris, too. She'll let all the batshit identitarians have free rein. It's such a shitshow all round. People will only mostly be voting for her to stop Trump. No one really wanted her in this role before Biden stepped down.

I don't agree, but I can see why people think Trump would be better. Just like I could see why people voted for the Greens, the Lib Dems and Reform, rightly or wrongly.

I think its more about money and fame for her and her spouse. Theyll find another cow to milk when its over.

When what's over?

Is this the 'they are as bad as each other argument? Because that is clearly not the case if so.

Is this the 'they are as bad as each other argument?

It's not a rote argument. It's my considered opinion. Hope that helps. Trump is awful, and so is Harris. Trump is objectively worse due to things he's done to women, obviously.

Campaigning to vote in a sex offender is not "holding the Democrats to account".
That's a smokescreen.

I'm assuming she means the US election.

Like how Farage and KJK both scarpered to the US once the GE was done.

It’s the allegation that people are falling over to justify trumpism. I read that as you saying anyone who fails to publicly debounce everything KJK stands for is trying to justify trumpism.

Perhaps I misunderstood.

Not really, I just don’t understand such binary political views that seem to arise in these threads.

At least one poster on here has implied we should ignore genderism because not trump.

FWIW the only political view I seem to share with KJK is that men aren’t women and that sex matters.

I wish that the democrats would share that view.

I think that it would do the democrats better to talk to me about that rather than castigate my view by implying it must be right wing because someone who shares my view holds other views which are very different.

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I agree @lifeturnsonadime

I think this is actually a total inversion of what happens.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone here say people need to agree with everything KJK says or does. In fact, I have never seen anyone say that they personally agree with everything she says or does.

What they say is that there is no need to agree with everything she says or does, it should not be expected. And most importantly, this idea of "aligning" and association tainting people is a serious problem, not something to be catered to.

It seems like a certain section of the progressive left can't understand this idea. They are totally convinced that any interaction with others that somehow taints them is a big deal. There is a real inability to see that others, like conservatives, don't hold their views because they are hateful, evil, or stupid - which largely seems to come out of an inability or unwillingness to understand arguments from "the other side."

And then they argue that because some people think this way, it's necessary to cater to their thinking or the will just dismiss the GC movement.

These are the people who think everyone needs to agree about what counts as a progressive cause. It's their problem, and its a completely politically unworkable approach. It can only end in failure when others start to ignore them, or left-authoritarianism.

Both candidates in the USA election espouse positions on women’s rights that I find objectionable. So if I were a voter there I’d have to look at other reasons for casting my vote.

One candidate has had a conventional career, some of which is in public service and has relatively little of concern with regards to personal conduct. The other has a recent history of disregarding and even opposing social and political norms, and is on record as not accepting the results of a legitimate election, pressuring officials to “just find me some more votes”, trying to bribe foreign elected leaders (his “do me a favour” call to Zelensky) and, at best, not encouraging his supporters to protest legitimately and peacefully, and at worst formenting an insurrection (calling on Pence to “do the right thing” , ie not certify the election result, which resulted in the storming of the Capitol).

So on the basis that I’d quite like America to remain a democracy, it would have to be a vote for Harris. With the expectation that campaigning for women and children’s safety would have to continue, regardless of the election result.

I mean - Trump has increased the number of non-white Republican voters (esp if you include Hispanic voters though they may be white technically) to levels not seen since the first half of the 20th century. They are also lots of immigrants that vote for him.

There is an assumption by a lot of people on the left that only white people like Trump and it's really not justified by the numbers. I suppose because it would challenge the "he is a giant racist" narrative? But whatever the reason it's not accurate.

I haven't seen anything like that on this thread.
This thread is about a prominent women's rights campaigner vocally supporting Trump. Its not about left v right.

Most posters I guess are in the UK so it's really out of our control what happens in the election. But KJK is a UK resident heading a political party purporting to be for women so her promoting a sex offender who wants to ban abortion is inconsistent to say the least.

With regards to people "aligning" themselves with people of any particular political stripe, if a person shares a platform, not to debate against, I think it's legitimate to believe that they are aligning themselves with that person and their views. Likewise when a person says Trumpian rubbish about illegitimate election results, in the UK, having supported the same system when it favoured the party they support, I think it's reasonable to oppose their position and question what their other views may be.

I think along those lines too. Would have to vote for KH as there is just no possibility I could vote for DT

What do you think socialism is, besides an economic system /type of government that emphasizes nationalisation of industry (or other means of public control of industry?)?

I sometimes get the sense that people think it means "the good guys". So bad guys can't be socialists, and if some socialists were bad guys they believe it somehow reflects on all the "good" guys. (Where do Mao and Stalin fit into this seems to go unanswered.)

It could be that they were entirely just trying to get support of unions, though frankly I don't think that's evidenced and it looks like actually quite a lot of Nazis did believe in nationalization and workers rights - but it doesn't matter in any case. Their private motivations don't change the fact that they were very much about nationalizing industry.

Not all socialists are or were Marxists you know.

What they teach in primary school is not, perhaps, the bar to use.

I think it's a very open question how Harris will be on international issues. It doesn't seem to be her strong point so I suspect she will be taking her lead from other advisors. And the wind in the US is not blowing in the direction of more international commitments.

Trump is likely to take a somewhat isolationist stance. It's interesting though, Democrats seem upset by this while also complaining a lot about the effects of interventionism.

If I were to bet, there might not be much difference between their approaches when it comes down to it, a general withdrawal from international interventions.

if a person shares a platform, not to debate against, I think it's legitimate to believe that they are aligning themselves with that person and their views.

Why do you think that? It seems like quite an incredible statement.

If over means when the US elections are done, I expect these KJK threads will be no more

At least one poster has said exactly that.

Perhaps is the wording of the OP, perhaps it’s the general tone of the discussion .

The Party of Women is not going to gain political traction to the point that anyone has really got to fear that its leader might ban abortion! So I don’t think that really is what is going on in these posts. If she were to campaign to ban abortion here in the UK then obviously we would have something to say about it.

it’s almost as if some of you fear her, I have no idea why that would be.

Nah. She won't want to fade into obscurity at all so no doubt will do some outrageous stunt or other

I don't fear her; I think she's moved from being a help to womens rights to a hindrance.

She says "you have to pick one issue". I pick women. That's feminism.

So to be clear you DO see it as binary?

Men identifying as women harming women and children getting caught up with this is a price you are prepared to pay?

Nazis and KJK in the same thread. Always the goal.