"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

After having been "accused" of being a sock puppet for another poster on a thread about kjk, and having some really quite unpleasant comments made, I have been rather loathe to post on any threads regarding her. I think her tweets supporting Trump are quite in line with the development of her "brand". She appears to need to have similar responses as the "shock jock " radio persona's, if you perceive your need to be front and centre to be more important than your message then this is what happens imo. I do wonder if the creation of the party of women has led to her trying to emulate Farage.

I'd agree with this take Eresh.

I credit Twitter with being invaluable in alerting me initially to what was going on wrt genderism and its assault on women's rights but I was only ever a lurker because ultimately it just feels like playground wars a lot of the time and I just don't have the energy for it.

And yes it's annoying when the beef gets brought over here as many who're not on Twitter won't have a clue about what's going on

“Align”
Nazis
Tommy Robinson
Farage

KJK is single issue, like Nigel Farage was with Brexit. She thinks the whole neo-mens rights thing will lose it's grip once it loses it's grip on America, she's talked about this a lot.

I'm not a Trump supporter but I think he would follow through on these promises - like in schools and sports. You just can't trust that a left wing / liberal government would do at this time because there's such a stranglehold & we see that over here with Labour.

Other consequences of him being leader again, I don't know. It's so polarising and I'm just glad is don't live there.

YY @Keepingcosy

E.g. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4983362-jane-clare-jones-on-purity-spirals

I really hope Trump is not elected, for all the usual reasons. I wanted Andrew Wang fwiw

The only way the infighting stops is when people recognise the "other side" has a valid point.

It can be very one way on here - there is very little recognition that some feminists have reasonable concerns.

@dumbo12 I saw that while I was having a break, it's a really good case in point. To some, it appears to be extremely triggering to believe many women share a similar point of view regarding KJK. Therefore the only way to manage the discomfort it to assume some form of ill intent.

Actually to kill two birds with one stone page one of that thread has numerous posters claiming that people saying GC influencers were MAGA aligned were making it up. For the PP who said they never saw it.

Don't think I have seen so much hyperbole in my entire life.

They'll never allow another viewpoint, Cassie. I've come to recognise that. This type of thread confirms that: the falling over themselves to justify (repeated) Trumpism.

Farage isn't a single issue politician though. He was the only one fighting against IR35 last election for one.

See what? That someone who is right about one thing is utterly wrong about another?

It's clear you are not a student of history. Even at primary school level. Despite their name, the Nazis were not 'Socialists'. Not even remotely. They were in fact, Fascist. Even a 10 year old knows this. It is the most fundamentally basic level of primary school history education.

Nazi Fascism is taught even in early secondary school and Primary School. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever, for people to not know that the Nazis were Fascist. The only oddball people I know who deny that the Nazis were fascist, are ultra far right wing extremists. And they are an extreme minority. No one else would claim they are not Fascist.

@CrochetForLife Excruciating ignorance on her part.
It was a deliberate move by the nazis to win over the unions and socialist to get the vote

@lemonpepperlady Eyewatering ignorance about the history of the nazis.
They called themselves 'socialists' to get the crucial union support.

Irrespective of where we live, we will feel a 2nd Trump presidency I can assure you. Especially in this geopolitical climate. As to KJKs take on world affairs, the less said the better.

It's a protest. The US had an insurrection in the 1770s - that was an attack on legitimate government by traitors. The 'do' on 6th Jan was a protest enabled by those who were intended to keep the protesters out. Someone opened the doors to the Capitol.
NB Tweak your statement re fascism and you have a definition of very left-wing politics e.g. authoritarian internationalism which exploits identarian politics (so race, transagenda etc) and the destruction of historical continuity in the name of inclusion - this definition can generally be summed up in the belief that people must be 'forced to be free'. Not very different from your definition of fascism (which covers more than the tropes you list) - and both meet George Orwell's criteria of a future we should try to avoid.
PS I find it interesting that both fascism (under e.g. Mussolini) and left-wing poiticians favour 'progressive' styles of teaching/educating children: the result of these methods has a tendency to leave the recipients with no social-historical base on which to build their selves, leaving them open to propaganda.

Christ almighty, MM.

I don't know where you get your values from or if you might even know what a moral compass is, but DT certainly is not "he's a legitimate candidate in the American election"

As a reminder, he's a :

"Pussy grabber"

convicted criminal

carried out a sexual assault and has not paid the fine he received fro this from the court

incited a mob to insurrection at the home of American democracy

is on tape calling governors and election officials in various states trying to get them to "find" extra votes for him after the last election.

Regularly lies during interviews, debates and other public proclamations

Said covid could be cured by "bleach" and/or "shining a light on it"

The list goes on.

The creature is so far off being anywhere near legitimate.

Ronald Reagan, George Bush junior...perhaps even Richard Nixon. These are hard right member of the Republican Party of the US. They are legitimate candidates.

Trump is not a legitimate member of any democratic process anywhere in the democratic world.

I don't think this is a matter of opinion, this is a matter of definition.

You see I just don’t get this viewpoint.

We had some similar ones in the run up to the GE here where anyone even suggesting that women should lobby prospective labour candidates were closet Tories.

This attitude just allows the left to get to do what it wants because they are ‘not as bad as …..’
Why can’t the democrats be held to account to their failings wrt genderism v women’s rights?

I don't really understand how a criminal can be a legitimate candidate. Seems really strange

On that basis why are you here then, is that not 'weakminded'?

I don't understand it either @Owmyelbow

I think it's fine to discuss this. KJK is a prominent women's rights campaigner. Her hyperbolic support for a rapist who plans to remove women's bodily autonomy is incongruent to say the least.

@lifeturnsonadime

You see I just don’t get this viewpoint.

We had some similar ones in the run up to the GE here where anyone even suggesting that women should lobby prospective labour candidates were closet Tories.

This attitude just allows the left to get to do what it wants because they are ‘not as bad as …..’
Why can’t the democrats be held to account to their failings wrt genderism v women’s rights?

And I don't see how you get this from my post. Did you attach the wrong one?