"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

So, hypothetically, you could stand next to a prominent tra, at a rally he has organised, not speak against the beliefs of the tra, and expect to be seen as someone who does not agree with the tra beliefs? Why else would you be there, if not to support their views?

Sure.

What's the rally about?

If the rally is about something we fundamentally disagree on, it's probably not likely I'd be there, or be invited. But perhaps this person is looking for some broader perspective, and I might be willing to go and speak to that, depending on a lot of things. If I were, I might say something about the individual's views on the issue, but I might also just speak for myself and allow them to outline their own position.

If the rally is about some other issue, where we have agreement - say something like environmental sustainability - or where we have a common interest, like school funding, I might very well attend. I would't be inclined to mess about speaking out against the person's views on gender ideology which would be inappropriate and a distraction from something I think is important.

If we are talking about a political TV program or media sources I generally would always be willing to explain my position for any audience.

Really?!

Also though - there are some times that people clearly are sharing a "platform" because they agree. But to assume that is very odd.

The "Tommy Robinson " rally was, to all intents and purposes, a right wing call to racist thugs, piggybacking "Asian grooming gangs" and a belief in the view that Muslim people are being given an easy ride by the police. The incidence of groups of young women being groomed for prostitution was just as large when it was men of other races and colours. If that is what a person supports, then their coincidental agreement that sex is binary and immutable, would still not persuade me to share a platform.

@TempestTost, I have been here for years (I remember when KJK first arrived here as Posey Parker back when Dittany was still here, and FWR was newly established on MN), and the idea that this ONLY goes one way against KJK is simply incorrect. There was quite an ugly period where if ANYONE expressed concern or dislike over some of the allies KJK sought out, they were accused of being libfems, Woke, or head girls. And yes I am quite aware that the rationale for that was that "they started it" by being at all put off by some of KJK's associations in the first place!

The double standards at play are truly amazing.

And when someone is encouraging a whole nation to vote for them,and that he will save them?

How many threads do we need on one person??? Ffs.

I have really no idea how you got that from what I said.

I don't fear her; I think she's moved from being a help to womens rights to a hindrance.
Supporting for a misogynist sex offender because "I pick children" is harmful to women. I could never do that.

I'm not making it binary. She is.

Honestly people need to go and read the "purity spiral" thread.

A poster getting absolutely pasted for posting a picture on twitter of her with a TW. Forced to apologise and generally being crucified.

Meanwhile it's all cool about KJK rabidly supporting Trump because (apparently) we can all support each other where we agree and not otherwise.

OK then.

No. We express this opinion because it's true.

A fascist is someone who believes in authoritarian rule rather than respect for democracy, while maintaining private ownership of the means of production (thus different from an authoritarian communist) and with a strong appeal to national and race-based mythology, social divisiveness and vilification of minorities to bolster that rule.

What's truly foolish is that despite Trump fitting this definition in every respect, some people seem to believe he can't be a fascist because he doesn't have a swastika with "I'm a Fascist" underneath it tattooed across his forehead (yet).

Why are you giving the words of one person so much power though?

Of course it isn’t binary.

That’s why all this focus on her is so bizarre. Focus on the democrats instead, lobby them to stop this bizarre obsession with men in dresses 🤷‍♀️. If they did that then KJK wouldn’t have ANY power!

Quite. It is really tempting to believe Fascism = Hitler, and therefore no longer a threat, but it's untrue.

Well yes, part of the problem at least could be simpler than all of that -

I think it's just that she's not very bright.

And all the rest.
I always find it quite incredible that anyone is/was taken in, I mean his behaviour in the 80s and 90s was writ large.
So large that his antics were in every mag in every doctors waiting room for 10 years. The incestous behaviour the rape and assault of his wife the endless corruption. So notorious were his connections with the Russian mafia then that he was refused permission in Australia for his blasted casinos.
And every failed business, so many.
And the workers he stiffed, contracts he broke, the constant corruption, getting the government to bail him out, the list is endless.

And dont get me started on his tv career and associated shennanigans.
But one of his vilest acts was signing full-page newspaper advertisements calling for the Central ParkFive teens to die.
Given the rape accusations against him it makes it multiple times more repulsive.
He has NO bottom.
Please dont tell me youve considered all this and still see Harris as nearly as bad, bar the women thing.
As women we are constantly warning each other about narcissists and sociopaths and yet insanely, KJK urging women to vote for him.
Meanwhile had she been paying attention to others work rather than trying to diminish it, she would have noted that the US is slowly turning around anyway.

Better that than creating martyrs and more resistance from TQ, which is the inevitable reaction to Trump.

But the fact is they didn't nationalise the vast majority of German industry. To claim that they did is just ignorance.

Most German private companies remained private companied. They were owned by private individuals, shareholders etc. They employed people who they paid wages to, and made profits or losses. This is capitalism, whether under a relatively "free" democratic electoral system or a one-party state. It's not socialism, in any accepted understanding of the word.

The Nazis used their one-party authoritarian power to increase the role of the state in their mixed economy in certain specific ways (linked to their fascist ideology), like protecting German industry from imports, prioritising German citizen workers over immigrants, increasing production for the war effort etc. Some of this was not particularly different from the state-mandated production increases, imposition of rationing etc. that took place in Britain and other countries during the war. Wars tend to move countries toward increased centralisation of economic decision-making, regardless of their underlying economic system.

But they didn't nationalise that basic underlying system (in the way that Mao or Lenin did, or you could argue British Labour socialists in 1945 or French socialists at various times started doing and would have completed if they hadn't been voted out first). They just didn't.

A mentally ill woman from Canton Ohio, who was not an immigrant, ate a cat. That was all it was.

100% right.

Or lets revert that to what happened at the Genspect conference when a man in drag appeared.
Remind me again of KJKs and her fans response to that ?
The hounding of Stella OMalley, the homophobia directed at Andrew Doyle, the sickening spectacle of KJKs condescension and self importance in the 3 way with Benjamin Boyce and SOM.
Well done for the class A double standards as good as tras.

No I meant when trans ideology is over.

Sorry. I keep assuming stuff 🙈

I agree though. She's already got a few other irons in the fire.

So does she live in US now? Or is she just visiting? I'm a bit unclear on why\when she's become so vocal in supporting Trump.

As a, largely outside of these discussions till now, observer.

The anti KJK brigade don’t seem desperately focused on dealing with the democrats problem with women, wrt to their determination to treat women as identity rather than a sex based reality, despite the clear harms to women & children.

I can reach my own conclusions on why that is.

He found that the police were somewhat more likely to act in non-lethal interactions, and somewhat less likely to use lethal force.

That's hardly what you said - that it was inarguable fact that police are more likely to target and kill black Americans.

As for his research being criticized, so was the Cass report. In general his research was well received, and it's difficult to suggest it was biased, as it was not what he expected to find and in fact he redid it all with a new team after getting those results the first time.

Almost all research, even when it is good, gets some critical feedback on method and approach, and it's important that it does. But that does not mean that just because there is academic discussion or criticism you throw it out.

If you are going to go around telling people that there is zero question something is true and inarguable, your data needs to be totally uncontroversial and universally supported. That's clearly not the case with this subject.