"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

Seems these days whenever I open a thread in FWR, there's Cassie dictating the terms of debate. What usually happens is, people lose interest, and the thread falls by the wayside.

I don't think you can dictate what people post about on a thread

You've scrolled through 36 pages to post that?

I commented on a thread about KJK supporting donald trump. I've said nothing about her politics. In fact I've repeatedly said I don't think this is a left/right thing. You are continually trying to make it into that and repeatedly dragging up other threads to do so. It's very boring and I'm finding it quite goady.

If other posters want to engage with you about the Democrats, nothing is stopping them. Does not appear many want to discuss it.

Another deletion. I’m flabbergasted by that one. Why on earth is iit against the rules to say you don’t agree that someone hasn’t talked about KJKs politics when demonstrably they have talked about her politics 🤷‍♀️

Does anyone know if there is an appeal procedure for deleted posts?

I had a quick look for myself the other day but couldn't see anything.

Some deletions are ridiculous

All you can do is email Mumsnet and ask why. They tend to delete anything reported. Clearly lots of posts were deleted earlier so assume lots of reports were made. It’s very interesting which posts certain posters want removed. There’s often a pattern. I asked for the post which was a personal attack to be left so people could see it, but clearly someone wasn’t happy with it and had it removed along with references to it. Mumsnet don’t monitor threads so deletions are mostly in response to someone asking for a post to be deleted for being against the guidelines.

Ive appealed three or so times quite a long time ago at least two times they reinstated the original post

one was because they had been heavy handed and the other was a misunderstanding of what i was saying (which has got me into trouble on a few occasions cos Ive not explained myself properly)

the one time i remember them saying no they did explain where they were coming from so i wasn’t too unhappy 😀

Oh fuck me

i appealed by emailing them…but i don’t have my email anymore so I can’t appeal anymore (i do try and behave but sometimes its soooooo hard 😩)

@lifeturnsonadime

I was employing hyperbole , something frequently found on threads like these!

And

I guess my main point is that the frequent posts about KJK make me wonder if some posters think she has more power than she actually has!

it’s a shame, but not surprising that you won’t address the other points. No one really wants to address that voter dissatisfaction is often attributable to policy decisions. They just like to blame the opposition and its supporters.

The Democrats, in general, treat all people fairly and equitably. I feel your points (copied below) tend to assign blame to the Democrats/Left for voters to vote for an abhorrent option instead.

I'd hope that voters, particularly women, are more informed than that. As you note below, "blaming the opposition isn't going to win hearts and minds". There are many policies and issues that affect women, children and families; Trump is capitalising on keynote policies right now and KJK is assisting on keeping the gender issue in the mix. What I'm doing here is seeing politics through both sides of the lens - I'm not sure you are.

^Similarly the fact that the democrats are failing to protect women & children wrt gender leaves the door open to Trump for people who may be single issue voters.

Seeing politics through a one sided lens is unhelpful. KJK is not responsible for women voting Trump on this issue IF the democrats failures on this issue is what is swaying the vote for them.

No side is great for women. The democrats would get my vote, could I vote, because I think Trump is reprehensible and policies will clearly impact women. But the fact that he has gained so much political traction despite this is must have something to do with vote dissatisfaction with the democrats. Blaming the opposition isn’t going to win hearts and minds. Listening to reasonable concerns & addressing them might.^

Gosh, that post was a fail.

1. The top line wasn't meant to be there
2. From the paragraph starting "Similarly", is a copy of an earlier post of LifeTurnsonaDime.

kjk causes a lot of trouble. She regularly - every few days- takes a pop at someone. She enjoys causing division imo. The power she has is that the click baiters enjoy these flare-ups and so there is always an ongoing fight with someone. It’s tedious when there is so much work to be done and kjk chooses to weaken everyone by causing division. She is so power hungry she is blind to the fact that she created so much trouble and instead believes that she is the victim. She’s incredibly like Trump, so it’s no surprise she admires him

So what you are saying here is the fact that the democrats see woman as an identity that any man can chose to adopt is a price you are prepared to pay along with all the consequences that fall alongside that such as the removal of women’s sports, rapists in women’s prisons, children being mutilated & sterilised, children being gaslit into pretending that kids are the opposite sex and female children losing the right to say no to and have boundaries around male children.

What I’m saying is it’s not a price I would be prepared to pay and that it’s perfectly possible to vote democrat whilst still holding them to account by lobbying and talking about the fact that this ideology harms women.

It’s a dangerous game to let a party think it’s ok to do all of those things because you think the opposition would be worse & not to object or otherwise hold them to account for it.

Or Alternatively , as I said upthread perhaps you agree that being a woman is simply a state of mind that any man can say he has. That’s your prerogative of course.

Just put this on the Deeming/Pesutto thread but posters on here might be interested to read it too, in light of the comments earlier that "noone knows who KJK is".

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/120613/Exhibit-MFI-R1-21-August-2024.pdf

@lifeturnsonadime

So what you are saying here is the fact that the democrats see woman as an identity that any man can chose to adopt is a price you are prepared to pay along with all the consequences that fall alongside that such as the removal of women’s sports, rapists in women’s prisons, children being mutilated & sterilised, children being gaslit into pretending that kids are the opposite sex and female children losing the right to say no to and have boundaries around male children.
No, I don't recall saying that at all.

What I’m saying is it’s not a price I would be prepared to pay and that it’s perfectly possible to vote democrat whilst still holding them to account by lobbying and talking about the fact that this ideology harms women.
Perhaps I'm saying it's possible to vote Democrat/Left and then hold them to account by lobbying being involved in activism. That way, I don't have to vote Republican/Right at all.

It’s a dangerous game to let a party think it’s ok to do all of those things because you think the opposition would be worse & not to object or otherwise hold them to account for it.
What's dangerous is allowing a demagogue such as Trump anywhere near the White House. He had his opportunity the first time around, didn't he? I don't think the opposition would be worse - I know they would, in a number of ways, not just gender-related.

Or Alternatively , as I said upthread perhaps you agree that being a woman is simply a state of mind that any man can say he has. That’s your prerogative of course.
Again, I didn't state any such thing, and I don't appreciate you making up words for me. Please stop doing it.

Again a post fail! Wait, I'll repost.

@lifeturnsonadime

So what you are saying here is the fact that the democrats see woman as an identity that any man can chose to adopt is a price you are prepared to pay along with all the consequences that fall alongside that such as the removal of women’s sports, rapists in women’s prisons, children being mutilated & sterilised, children being gaslit into pretending that kids are the opposite sex and female children losing the right to say no to and have boundaries around male children.
No, I don't recall saying that at all.

What I’m saying is it’s not a price I would be prepared to pay and that it’s perfectly possible to vote democrat whilst still holding them to account by lobbying and talking about the fact that this ideology harms women.
Perhaps I'm saying it's possible to vote Democrat/Left and then hold them to account by lobbying being involved in activism. That way, I don't have to vote Republican/Right at all.

It’s a dangerous game to let a party think it’s ok to do all of those things because you think the opposition would be worse & not to object or otherwise hold them to account for it.
What's dangerous is allowing a demagogue such as Trump anywhere near the White House. He had his opportunity the first time around, didn't he? I don't think the opposition would be worse - I know they would, in a number of ways, not just gender-related.

Or Alternatively , as I said upthread perhaps you agree that being a woman is simply a state of mind that any man can say he has. That’s your prerogative of course.
Again, I didn't state any such thing, and I don't appreciate you making up words for me. Please stop doing it.

Your position is not at all clear.

Do you hold the democrats to account for the harms of gender then?

If I’ve missed that I apologise but all I’ve seen from your posts on here is that Trump would be worse, which is undeniably true.

And to be crystal clear I don’t want Trump in the Whitehouse do I have no idea why you keep coming back to that.

i posted the previous before you reposted with the bold formatting.

On the lobbying , totally agree, thanks for clarifying.

So I don’t think our positions are that different then @MessinaBloom 👍.

This is quite damning (you can read by clicking onto airplane before it loads)
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/deeming-was-determined-to-be-brave-and-attend-rally-despite-security-alerts-20240917-p5kbdl.html

The court was also shown a statement from Thomas Sewell – one of the neo-Nazis present that day and the self-appointed leader of the National Socialist Network – claiming the group of men were acting as a vanguard for the women at the rally.

I do always hate the defense of "well she didn't invite them".

I can't imagine the same grace being given to Neo Nazis turning up at a TRA rally for instance, it would be (rightfully) called out. I hold everyone to the same standards whether i agree with them on another point or not.

I do always hate the defense of "well she didn't invite them".

She didn't invite them, so it's not her fault they turned up, it's a perfectly reasonable defence She's won more than one legal settlement and humiliating apology over this when people have claimed she was aligned to them. Hope this helps.

People on the Moira Deeming thread say these men frequently turn up at stuff in Melbourne and one of them is a senior police officer's son.