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"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

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crimplepop · 11/09/2024 16:36

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

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lifeturnsonadime · 18/09/2024 14:16

I think there is some cherry picking of sources going on here. The Nazi’s don’t only turn up to events organised by KJk in Australia ffs https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/29/neo-nazi-rallies-in-sydney-a-publicity-stunt-to-boost-their-profile-experts-say

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 14:17

Of course there is.

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 14:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 14:10

I do always hate the defense of "well she didn't invite them".

She didn't invite them, so it's not her fault they turned up, it's a perfectly reasonable defence Confused She's won more than one legal settlement and humiliating apology over this when people have claimed she was aligned to them. Hope this helps.

People on the Moira Deeming thread say these men frequently turn up at stuff in Melbourne and one of them is a senior police officer's son.

I'm explaining why i don't like the defense. If it was the only instance of people with their views being in close proximity i'd agree with you, but some of the stuff she tweets and says do make it a murky area.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 14:22

Well, we're all entitled to our views, but you don't have a shred of evidence that she invited them, so it's a perfectly reasonable defence, as I said. As Pesutto and Patrick Strudwick found to their cost.

AlisonDonut · 18/09/2024 14:22

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 14:01

I do always hate the defense of "well she didn't invite them".

I can't imagine the same grace being given to Neo Nazis turning up at a TRA rally for instance, it would be (rightfully) called out. I hold everyone to the same standards whether i agree with them on another point or not.

A bloke stood behind a Scottish Politician with 'decapitate TERFS' and not one of the women there 'called it out'.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/09/2024 14:27

Back to TRA bingo.

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 14:27

AlisonDonut · 18/09/2024 14:22

A bloke stood behind a Scottish Politician with 'decapitate TERFS' and not one of the women there 'called it out'.

If i'd have been there, i would have.
Instead i had to do it online. Because it was disgusting behaviour. And behaving in that manner only means if you ever had a point, you've negated it.

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 14:27

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/09/2024 14:27

Back to TRA bingo.

Share your bingo card then

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 14:32

JKR's tweet of Patrick Studwick's apology to KJK

A retraction and apology has been issued by iNews for the baseless accusation made by journalist @PatrickStrud against Kellie-Jay Keen, aka @ThePosieParker. Mr Strudwick has forgotten to share this on Twitter, so it would be nice if people could help him out.

timenowplease · 18/09/2024 14:33

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 14:01

I do always hate the defense of "well she didn't invite them".

I can't imagine the same grace being given to Neo Nazis turning up at a TRA rally for instance, it would be (rightfully) called out. I hold everyone to the same standards whether i agree with them on another point or not.

You hold women to the same standards as some hypothetical situation you've just made up?

Is this your argument?

AlisonDonut · 18/09/2024 14:47

timenowplease · 18/09/2024 14:33

You hold women to the same standards as some hypothetical situation you've just made up?

Is this your argument?

To be fair, the neo nazis DID turn up to a TRA rally, as there was a TRA rally there in opposition to the women who wanted to speak.

There were 3 or 4 different groups there that day, and yet only one lot have had to defend themselves.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2024 14:48

To be fair, the neo nazis DID turn up to a TRA rally, as there was a TRA rally there in opposition to the women who wanted to speak.

Quite.

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 15:05

timenowplease · 18/09/2024 14:33

You hold women to the same standards as some hypothetical situation you've just made up?

Is this your argument?

no, i hold EVERYONE accountable no matter whether i agree with them or not. Not just women. HTH. Strange that you got that when half of this thread has been about how the Democrats don't get held accountable.

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 15:09

Honestly this is such bad faith discussions, it's tedious.

CyclingSam · 18/09/2024 15:16

Honestly that is such bad faith discussions, it's tedious.

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 15:19

CyclingSam · 18/09/2024 15:16

Honestly that is such bad faith discussions, it's tedious.

thought i'd try and fit in

lifeturnsonadime · 18/09/2024 15:19

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 15:05

no, i hold EVERYONE accountable no matter whether i agree with them or not. Not just women. HTH. Strange that you got that when half of this thread has been about how the Democrats don't get held accountable.

how can you accuse us of bad faith posting when you come out with this?

I’ve been posting about the democrats holding responsibility for their beliefs on gender not for fact that sometimes Nazis turn up uninvited at events.

For those who have misunderstood ALL I have bern trying to say that it is intellectually lazy to accuse women who believe that men can’t be women of being right wing based on the fact that Nazis turned up at a LWS event or that KJK has tweeted in support of Trump. The left/ the democrats in the US and the Labour Party /SNP in the UK bear the responsibility for the fact that it sees being a woman as identity that any man can identify into.

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 15:23

lifeturnsonadime · 18/09/2024 15:19

how can you accuse us of bad faith posting when you come out with this?

I’ve been posting about the democrats holding responsibility for their beliefs on gender not for fact that sometimes Nazis turn up uninvited at events.

For those who have misunderstood ALL I have bern trying to say that it is intellectually lazy to accuse women who believe that men can’t be women of being right wing based on the fact that Nazis turned up at a LWS event or that KJK has tweeted in support of Trump. The left/ the democrats in the US and the Labour Party /SNP in the UK bear the responsibility for the fact that it sees being a woman as identity that any man can identify into.

I have never once said that being GC means you're far right, because it's not. I accuse KJK of being right wing for many things she's said and tweeted, not because of who turned up to her rally.

I can understand why some do expect her to explain that she didn't invite them though. Considering some of her other points have been far right leaning at the least. But i will say, saying that Trump is the ONLY HOPE for the WORLD isn't just right wing, it's outright stupidity.

CyclingSam · 18/09/2024 15:42

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 15:19

thought i'd try and fit in

No, I think it comes naturally.

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 15:50

CyclingSam · 18/09/2024 15:42

No, I think it comes naturally.

fake it til you make it

CassieMaddox · 18/09/2024 16:07

lifeturnsonadime · 18/09/2024 14:16

I think there is some cherry picking of sources going on here. The Nazi’s don’t only turn up to events organised by KJk in Australia ffs https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/29/neo-nazi-rallies-in-sydney-a-publicity-stunt-to-boost-their-profile-experts-say

Noone said they did Confused
I suggest people read the report before frothing about it. A prominent neo Nazi who was there said he was there specifically as "a vanguard for the women". Deeming claimed she didn't know there was a risk of that kind of person turning up before the event and the article says the court was shown a social media comment she made demonstrating that was untrue.

The reason I linked it on here was because of people claiming KJK is "boring" and noone knows who she is, therefore we shouldn't care she supports Trump. It is demonstrably untrue.

CassieMaddox · 18/09/2024 16:09

lifeturnsonadime · 18/09/2024 15:19

how can you accuse us of bad faith posting when you come out with this?

I’ve been posting about the democrats holding responsibility for their beliefs on gender not for fact that sometimes Nazis turn up uninvited at events.

For those who have misunderstood ALL I have bern trying to say that it is intellectually lazy to accuse women who believe that men can’t be women of being right wing based on the fact that Nazis turned up at a LWS event or that KJK has tweeted in support of Trump. The left/ the democrats in the US and the Labour Party /SNP in the UK bear the responsibility for the fact that it sees being a woman as identity that any man can identify into.

Noone on this thread has said that. Repeating a strawman multiple times doesn't make it true.

CassieMaddox · 18/09/2024 16:11

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 15:09

Honestly this is such bad faith discussions, it's tedious.

I've tried really hard to keep us on some kind of topic but it seems as always impossible to discuss Sad

Alwaystired94 · 18/09/2024 16:26

CassieMaddox · 18/09/2024 16:11

I've tried really hard to keep us on some kind of topic but it seems as always impossible to discuss Sad

Imagine how many people are lurkers and find it so disorientating

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