Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender child

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Musk's position which he has held for a while is made made clear in this Jordan Peterson interview:

Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender son Xavier and how he was 'tricked': 'It's evil'

Elon Musk spoke out about how he believes he was 'tricked' by the woke mind virus into allowing his child to become a transgender woman.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13661573/Elon-Musk-makes-bombshell-claim-transgender-child-Tesla-CEO-tricked-evil.html

I think this is the counterpart to the TRA parents who are locked into supporting gender stuff. The parents who have seen through it and are committed to fighting back. Either you go the gender crit route or you back the right.

Musk is now funding Trump's election campaign to 45 million a month.

Interestingly Musk weirdly told JKR off for being too obsessed with women's rights recently.

The interesting thing will be that even though Musk is clearly against gender stuff he like other men with that position he will not really be targeted to the same extent a woman will be. Hardly any TRA will leave X or refuse to admire Musk's various projects. They won't abandon Marvel which put Musk in a movie Iron Man 2 in the same way they want to cancel Harry Potter. Because men get to do what they want.

This is another reason the gender project is increasingly unravelling. They want to stop women saying things, but at the same time they are not as concerned when powerful male dominated groups like Catholicism, Islam or powerful male individuals like Musk or Eminem say similar things.

We're not speculating. Some posters are adamant that taking puberty blockers into adulthood does not cause lack of sexual maturity, other posters are telling them they're wrong.

Where’s the evidence that a person who starts taking puberty blockers at 12 and stops taking them at 20 will resume a normal puberty?

A poster said this:
Elon musk's son has clearly followed the medical pathway. They won't have sexual function.
It's speculation as posters have no idea what "pathway" anyone has followed. And it's completely inappropriate and irrelevant to be speculating about an adults "sexual function".

These are human beings you know. Whatever you think about gender ideology, talking about actual humans as if they are some sort of lab rat is not OK.

Puberty blockers cause 'lack of sexual maturity' like the contraceptive pill causes 'inability to get pregnant', i.e. true in the technical sense, but only on a temporary basis while those drugs are being taken.

In reality, no one is on puberty blockers long past the age of 16 or, at a push, 18.

We have decades of experience of the effects when children come off puberty blockers and the body's return to hormone production resulting in resumption of a natural puberty.

We're not talking about someone stopping them at 20, and in practice it is not advised for anyone to be on puberty blockers for eight years anyway.

But you just need to look at the decades of usage of puberty blockers to understand how the body reacts when they stop being used (spoiler - it returns to producing the body's natural sex hormones).

As a gay person with a lot of gay friends - let me tell you that the person most directly affected by a parents bigotry feels it most acutely and is more likely to choose to go no contact than a sibling, even one who does not share in their parents' bigotry.

Your post assumes a lot. It assumes close sibling relationships. It assumes a particular standard in terms of standing up for a sibling and what that entails. It assumes that because of what Musk posts on social media, we can deduce what his relationship with his children is like.

This is just word salad that makes no sense.

If you believe that a child of a bigoted parent who is the subject of their bigotry is going to feel exactly the same way about their parent as a child who is not the subject of their bigotry, I would suggest you have never been part of a group that is routinely the subject of bigotry and marginalisation.

So you don't have any evidence that "it is common for a parent who is hostile to a particular minority to find that their child who is part of that minority goes no contact while a child who is not does not go no contact". You have your gut feeling, as I have mine.

My post assumes nothing. I have explained, with evidence, why I believe Mr Musk does have a relationship with his other children - which was the only intention of my initial post that you chose to respond to. I have further engaged you by speculating that I don't think it's terribly likely that Mr Musk's rampant 'transphobia' was the reason for the relationship breakdown. I have also provided my reasoning for that belief, and acknowledged that it is impossible to know for sure without knowing either party. I have very definitely not assumed "that because of what Musk posts on social media, we can deduce what his relationship with his children is like". On the contrary, I have repeatedly agreed that we are obviously only seeing a carefully curated image of what Musk wants us to see and that "it's impossible to really know what goes on and probably not terribly helpful to speculate". I have however pointed out that the many photos and videos of him and his children seemingly sharing a close relationship are unlikely to be faked. Or are you suggesting that he has kidnapped his older children and forced them to pose for smiling family photos with him, and also somehow forced his toddlers to pretend they're extremely comfortable and affectionate with him when they're really not?

You have answered none of the points I raised, you have offered no evidence whatsoever and keep talking about your own personal feelings - which are totally irrelevant to anyone other than you, and totally irrelevant to any situation other than your own. You can't even seem to keep track of your own argument and just keep repeating the same things which have little to no relevance to what I or anyone else is talking about. They are no more true than they were the first time you said them. With respect, I think there is therefore very little point in continuing this conversation.

But it makes perfect sense to the rest of us, @PlanetJanette , so maybe you're the one with the comprehension issues.

Who are these children who are prescribed puberty blockers in their early teens or younger and stop taking them at 16? Why are they doing this, do you think, assuming it's happening?

It's depressing to see posters dismissing the harm done to children by puberty blockers and cross sex hormones - I thought we were done with that years ago once the tactics of the trans lobby to stop all research into this were exposed.

Still - as an antidote to fake news - here's an excellent discussion that was posted on another thread and centres on the health and wellbeing of girls and young women. The type of informed responsible discussion that most of us are used to involving the compassionate Elaine Miller. Really worth listening to - especially if you're not up to date with the emerging scandal of this abuse of children and young people:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5128255-elaine-miller-talking-about-women-on-testosterone

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Edited to include the thread as link not working

These decades of experience, is this available to look at? Can you post say, the top 3 studies that show children who have taken puberty blockers and then stopped at 16 and have grown to fully continue their puberty and go on to have healthy children?

I'd like to add the research to the Puberty Blockers thread if you can post it. Thanks.

There’s a PB thread? Please can you send the link? Does it include CSHs? Asking for a friend.

OK let's say 13 to 16 then. 4 years.

If there's decades of usage where's the research. Is there a single paper that shows that puberty resumes AS NORMAL when you come off the blockers that have been prescribed to block puberty in normal physically healthy adolescents.

He might have views on transgender rights but he is still apeshit and “not a nice man” for supporting Trump.

Surely any feminist would be crazy to vote for Trump.

You'd be crazy as a feminist not to vote for Trump, the democrats are infested with the woke mind virus which makes them intent on destroying women and girls.

Excuse the maths I meant to say 12 to 16 😂

Not a peep. I think we can safely assume it doesn't exist.

No, I'm sure someone wouldn't say these things with zero evidence. After all, it's been decades.

Lots of people seem to misunderstand or not know about 'critical periods' whereby the development of a skill or characteristic is most readily acquired, and if missed, it might not be acquired or fully acquired outside of that window of time.

The 'decades of use' of PBs have involved delaying puberty until a child enters the typical age in which sexual maturation takes place. Where this has been researched, few adverse effects have been noted.

The use of PB to stop sexual maturation naturally occurring within the typical time frame has not been researched. We don't know if/what critical windows exist in relation to sexual maturation. There is strong evidence to show there are critical windows in brain development during adolescence and the impact of puberty blockers on this has not been researched and the research linked to use for precocious puberty is not of any use with this.

Furthermore, there are significant issues in relation to the rationale behind PBs providing 'time to think'. Significant neurological changes happen during puberty, particularly in relation to thinking and reasoning skills. If development in these areas is paused through PBs, it follows that 'time to think' whilst taking PBs will be impaired in comparison with 'time to think' without. The idea of pausing puberty to allow someone to grow up a bit before making a decision seems moot, if you give them drugs that stop them from growing up!

My parents were incredibly sexist when I was a child. And as I've said before I think that this contributed to issues with my brother. They said things like they needed to do more things with a strong male role model around.

I don't think anyone can deny that Musk is like this.

My parents ended up supporting and trashing me in the process of doing that. Because despite their prejudices they loved my brother.

I can see genuine hurt on the part of Musk. He's lashing out in a way that only comes from pain. It's directed at those who harmed his son as well as his son. But it's a reaction that still shows he deeply cares about his son in some way.

Yes it's laced with narcissism. But it's still someone who cares.

I suspect that Musk is involved with his younger kids and does make effort with them. Precisely because of what has gone before. Musk is unlikely to take full responsibility just like other parents who have transitioned their kids. But he has acknowledged it was wrong which is something more than many.

It's clearly a dysfunctional relationship. And transition is linked directly to dysfunctional family dynamics as a form of trauma.

I would be more surprised if Musk had been fully involved.

My point is, that I think Musk does care and probably is a better father to the younger kids and is trying to learn from his mistakes.

The fact both men have been betrayed by gender idealogs shouldn't be lost in this blame game. I suspect that there would be a rift in the family regardless but gender has exploited this crack in the relationship and feed upon it like a parasite.

We know that cults target vulnerable people who do not feel they fit in and are struggling.

You can argue all day about Musk as a man, but this point still holds up all day long, and we should be safeguarding kids from dysfunctional families of all kinds from this ideology. It doesn't matter that Musk is a megalomaniac - society still should have protected his son from exploitation in this way.

The fact that people are happy to over look this, whilst simultaneously doing a character assassination of Musk and how they would disown him as a parent for homophobia without comment on the homophobic and sexist nature this ideology pushes and entrenches gets me.

Musk's son, has decided to embrace those values. The ones he criticises his father for. He's framing them in a different way, but he supports affirmation only and he lives life in a way that is entirely based on sexism. He is supportive of the authoritarianism of the movement.

He is the mirror of his father. And they are probably far more alike than either will admit. And that's almost certainly part of the problem.

It's funny how theres not the same calls to go none contact with family members who actively participate in the erasure of lesbians. The double standards need to be highlighted.

The Trojan horsing of gay rights by trans activists and using homophobia as a shield whilst participating in homophobia isn't cool. Or inclusive. Or healthy.

The 'decades of use' of PBs have involved delaying puberty until a child enters the typical age in which sexual maturation takes place. Where this has been researched, few adverse effects have been noted

I wouldn't say 'few'...

https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

And in any case, the drugs used have maximum time periods of use BECAUSE of the effects they have. I mean, they have been used to actually sterilise people. So to say they don't sterilise some people is quite the claim. I'd like to see the non biased study on that.

The idea that chemically castrating physiologically healthy teens and preteens causes them no long term harms is utterly bonkers.

Kids who are put on puberty blockers due to gender dysphoria and who go on to transition don't actually go through puberty and mature as normal though. They are put on a cocktail of hormones and drugs to mimic what the puberty of the opposite sex would do. Anyone who thinks this is ok and won't have any adverse side effects is insane and blinded by ideology. It's literally stunting people's growth and potential. I saw a video a while ago of a group of adult mtf transitioners who never went through male puberty. They look like 13 year olds and always will. Have a read of some accounts of people who this happened to and later came to regret it. It's heartbreaking. If you miss the window to grow, it doesn't resume as normal years later