Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender child

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Musk's position which he has held for a while is made made clear in this Jordan Peterson interview:

Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender son Xavier and how he was 'tricked': 'It's evil'

Elon Musk spoke out about how he believes he was 'tricked' by the woke mind virus into allowing his child to become a transgender woman.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13661573/Elon-Musk-makes-bombshell-claim-transgender-child-Tesla-CEO-tricked-evil.html

I think this is the counterpart to the TRA parents who are locked into supporting gender stuff. The parents who have seen through it and are committed to fighting back. Either you go the gender crit route or you back the right.

Musk is now funding Trump's election campaign to 45 million a month.

Interestingly Musk weirdly told JKR off for being too obsessed with women's rights recently.

The interesting thing will be that even though Musk is clearly against gender stuff he like other men with that position he will not really be targeted to the same extent a woman will be. Hardly any TRA will leave X or refuse to admire Musk's various projects. They won't abandon Marvel which put Musk in a movie Iron Man 2 in the same way they want to cancel Harry Potter. Because men get to do what they want.

This is another reason the gender project is increasingly unravelling. They want to stop women saying things, but at the same time they are not as concerned when powerful male dominated groups like Catholicism, Islam or powerful male individuals like Musk or Eminem say similar things.

While I think Elon Musk is not the most polite or grounded man on earth (ha, literally, given his space exploits), I don't think he's generally a liar who fabricates things he doesn't believe.

What I do get from Vivian/Xavier's tweets is a (typically teenage) desire to argue back to dad no matter what. The argument seems to be that they couldn't possibly have enjoyed musicals and theatre, picked out jackets, or said "fabulous", because they were 4. Well, maybe they don't remember what being 4 is like, but any of us who have had a 4 year old surely know that none of that is outlandish. My DC at 4 hadn't been to any live musicals or full length plays, but did enjoy seeing clips or bits on TV from musicals and stagey stuff. And I definitely had clothes "picked out" for me in the morning with funny comments like that! I have no idea if Vivian/Xav did the same, but I'd trust their dad's recollection over their own teenage denial.

Sad that the Musks are angrily washing dirty laundry - but I think for the greater good that Elon has spoken out.

Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily take the claim that those things didn't happen seriously.

I've met a lot of people who basically don't remember vast swathes of their childhood. Especially people who are autistic. And it wouldn't be the first time I've known of teens/young adults claiming to the parents that something did or did not happen that was factually untrue, where the young person seemed to have really believed it was.

So it's very much a maybe to me. I don't really see Musk as a likely great liar.

I've always been impressed by the scope of his ambitions, but I'd hate to work for him. He seems capricious and petulant, and I think his money (and owning twitter) gives him a vastly inflated sense of whether his every brain fart needs to be squeezed out on the net.
He's not Space Karen, he's not Tony Stark, he's Nerd Trump.

Adult as in possessing the legal capacity to make decisions about their own future.

None of your post demonstrates causation.

The choice to move on to cross-sex hormones, and any corresponding consequences for fertility, is made by someone who is medically competent.

Puberty blockers do not cause infertility. It is simply a lie to claim they do.

Such a weird amount of supposition about family relationships none of us can really know about.

I've no idea what Musk was like as a father.

I do know that the sort of father that claims his child was definitely gay because of random stereotypes, and broadcasts the (seemingly false) claim that their child is 'slightly autistic' is not indicative of a very good father.

The notion that his child has been expressing a trans identity for many years, including into adulthood, simply out of anger at her father is utter nonsense - total cod psychology by people who don't know this woman at all.

You don't know these people at all either, @PlanetJanette , yet you continue to argue on their behalf.

Where have I argued on anyone's behalf?

On this thread I have stuck to established facts about them, rather than making supposition about their intentions.

S1lver seems quite protective of Musk for some reason

I follow his twitter as I follow his companies. He posts reasonably regularly about his family. He posts pictures of himself and his eldest at events. He posted pictures of himself at the graduation. He sometimes posts photos of them elsewhere. He posts videos of himself with a couple of his youngest boys and they're crawling all over him, playing with his face, poking to get his attention, engaging in what is obviously some sort of 'bit' that they do and continuing what appear to be conversations they'd had previously, off-screen. In one case, the kid is clearly used to him putting them to bed. None of which comes across as children who barely know the man. And they are very young so it seems extremely unlikely they could have been taught to behave like this. Are you suggesting he is faking all of this?!

Now of course, it is not at all uncommon for men to have a very different relationship with their 'second set' of children, he was certainly extremely busy when the first lot were young so he maybe did spend less time with them. It is nonetheless noteworthy that they still choose to maintain their relationships with him when their sibling has apparently been so horribly abused that he has felt the need to publicly denounce him. I think I'd be pretty angry if my father behaved so badly that I needed to not only cut him off but also publicly humiliate him, and my brother carried on going out for dinner with him as if nothing had happened.

It was the trans kid who brought up the 'daddy was never there' line. Weird that he decided it was relevant but you don't?

How can someone have capacity if they aren’t a fully mature adult?

Not in the least.

What people post on social media is often different to what happens behind closed doors.
It's all speculation but his general pronatalist/pre implantation screening approach suggests to me he sees children as extensions of his aims, rather than as people themselves. It would be very easy for the relationship to break down with that kind of outlook

Parents of gender confused children regularly get called abusers for not blindly affirming and even get their kids taken off them.

Musk's words will have struck a deep chord with thousands of such parents in the US and beyond. This is good. It will hopefully reassure these parents that they are not alone is disagreeing with the mind virus that is damaging their children.

Musk was brave and right to say the truth out loud. I mean, its' sad that things have come to such a pass that only people with 'fuck you money' like Musk and JKR are safe enough to speak the truth out loud. But where they speak, others will follow and the TRA edifice will continue to collapse.

I love to see it.

None of that addresses what I said. I didn't dispute what is posted on social media.

But it is ridiculous to say that the image someone presents on social media should be taken as gospel as to their real life. Social media images can give us no indication at all of what someone is like as a parent of what their children feel about them.

Similarly, the fact that siblings have different thresholds for not having contact with a parent also tells us very little. People are individuals, with different triggers, different tolerances for how people behave etc. A very obvious example here - it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that a transgender child will have a different view of their transphobic parent than a cisgender child.

Supposition about motivation based on social media is absolute nonsense.

I should imagine that a transgender child would feel the same as a cisgender child as those are terms used by people that believe in genderism. The vast majority of people aren't followers of that belief system and therefore shouldn't be referred to as trans or cis. You know this full well but keep insisting that everyone follows your religious tenets.

Of course, I imagine he is only going to post things that suggest he has a positive relationship with his children - he's hardly likely to post videos of them screaming they hate him or crying as he misses their bedtime yet again, though I would suspect such things have happened at some point with at least one child. But the elder children are old enough that they could distance themselves from him if they so wished and they seem not to want to. The younger children that have appeared on film seem to absolutely adore him, and it seems unlikely that could be fake. I tend to think that his determination to have endless children is more to do with his relationship with his own father, trying to be the father that he wanted his dad to be. But that is very much armchair psychology, I of course have no idea. I know I am coming across like I really want to defend him, and I don't really mean to - I think it is very dodgy that he has so very many boys and has never been seen to show much interest in his daughters. Though again, behind closed doors they may be super close, it's impossible to really know what goes on and probably not terribly helpful to speculate. The facts however remain that his relationships with the direct siblings of the trans child and with at least a couple of his youngest do appear strong as it seems very unlikely he could be faking it.

See my reply to CassieMaddox. You keep using the word supposition but you don't seem* *to understand what it means? Declaring that he was a terrible father who drove his child away by being 'transphobic', and that his siblings have sided with the father as they're 'cisgender' is supposition. You have not even tried to point to any evidence, you've just decided it makes sense to you and so therefore must be true. I have pointed out many actual examples that show the contrary, and explained how they support my position.

You really think that a child who is trans, and a child who is not trans, would both 'feel the same' about their transphobic parent?

Do you think straight children and gay children feel the same about homophobic parents?

Well no, my view is not supposition.

My view, broken down, is:

(a) Elon Musk has views about trans people and their rights that I, and most others who support trans rights, would regard as transphobic;

(b) Elon Musk's child is transgender.

(c) It is common for a parent who is hostile to a particular minority to find that their child who is part of that minority goes no contact while a child who is not does not go no contact.

Therefore, it should not be noteworthy that Musk's transgender daughter has a different view of their relationship than his son who is not transgender.

That's not supposition.

I also haven't 'declared' that he was a terrible father. I've no idea what sort of father he was. I do know, because it's public now, that he has posted some things that imply some problematic views about gay stereotypes, and publicly shared sensitive (and seemingly incorrect) information about his child's neurodivergence. And I do know what he says in public about trans people.

All of those facts suggest to me that it seems very reasonable that his transgender daughter would want nothing to do with him.

I have no idea why you are listening to a 4 year study done by a highly respected professional in the field with a team of highly qualified researchers rather than a random TRA on Mumsnet.

You know even the Cass Review does not support the claims on here that puberty blockers cause permanent sterilisation, right?

I was responding to your comment at 10.40 when you accused me of using "a weird amount of supposition about family relationships none of us can really know about". I explained why I had come the conclusion I had (that Musk has a good relationship with his other children). My original comment that you were responding to was a reply to someone else who asked how we could know he had a good relationship with his other children. If you click "show quote history" you can see the whole conversation.

I think it's very obvious that Elon Musk currently holds what you would call transphobic views. I think the fact that he took his child to a doctor and signed consent for him to receive puberty blockers strongly suggests that he did not always have these views, and therefore the reason for the estrangement is probably not his 'transphobia'. Although it is of course possible that after he saw what the medication was doing, he changed his views and that is what caused the divide. Who knows. This is not however what the boy has claimed, he has bitterly complained his father was absent and then stated he was mocked for being 'queer'. This also doesn't seem particularly likely from a man who took the boy to a gender clinic and signed off on puberty blockers - but again, who knows. You seem very willing to believe the boy and disbelieve Musk but even so, you're not agreeing with what the boy himself is saying! Why do you keep saying that he is not ND? In the posted reply he does not deny being slightly autistic? I don't have Threads so don't know if he refuted that claim elsewhere.

Do you have any evidence that "it is common for a parent who is hostile to a particular minority to find that their child who is part of that minority goes no contact while a child who is not does not go no contact"? I would suspect that children growing up together (especially when so close in age as these children) would side with each other against anyone attacking them. For example, my brother is gay. If my father decided to become a homophobe and my brother no longer felt he wanted a relationship with him, I would side with my brother. I wouldn't keep playing happy families with my bigoted father and pretend my brother doesn't exist! I would think that was a more usual reaction, though I confess it's pure conjecture. But the fact the siblings stay close to the 'bigoted' father despite his 'transphobic' views would suggest that either they do not care about his these views, or that they agree with them. Do you not think it at all odd that growing up closely with a transperson hasn't made them very pro-trans rights, and extremely defensive of anyone who would attack their brother? I'm struggling to make sense of your version of events, I'm afraid.

I don't know why we are speculating about someone's "sexual function" on Mumsnet just because that person's father happens to be famous and decided to bring their child up in an interview. 🤢

Yes because those are terms for children that believe sexist stereotypes are what make you male or female. Plenty of people who believe in gender but aren't trans such as you agree with this and think that anyone not playing along with the delusion is transphobic.

If you didn't use terms for believers to describe everyone it would be much clearer but in the cult of gender, non compliance is not allowed. You can't bring yourself to admit that it's not appropriate to call people cis if they don't specifically identify as such. If you did then you would be admitting genderism is a belief system rather than reality.

Sexuality is reality, people are either gay, straight or bisexual. It's got nothing to do with gender and that's partly why genderism is so homophonic.