Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender child

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Musk's position which he has held for a while is made made clear in this Jordan Peterson interview:

Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender son Xavier and how he was 'tricked': 'It's evil'

Elon Musk spoke out about how he believes he was 'tricked' by the woke mind virus into allowing his child to become a transgender woman.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13661573/Elon-Musk-makes-bombshell-claim-transgender-child-Tesla-CEO-tricked-evil.html

I think this is the counterpart to the TRA parents who are locked into supporting gender stuff. The parents who have seen through it and are committed to fighting back. Either you go the gender crit route or you back the right.

Musk is now funding Trump's election campaign to 45 million a month.

Interestingly Musk weirdly told JKR off for being too obsessed with women's rights recently.

The interesting thing will be that even though Musk is clearly against gender stuff he like other men with that position he will not really be targeted to the same extent a woman will be. Hardly any TRA will leave X or refuse to admire Musk's various projects. They won't abandon Marvel which put Musk in a movie Iron Man 2 in the same way they want to cancel Harry Potter. Because men get to do what they want.

This is another reason the gender project is increasingly unravelling. They want to stop women saying things, but at the same time they are not as concerned when powerful male dominated groups like Catholicism, Islam or powerful male individuals like Musk or Eminem say similar things.

The excellent Michael Biggs has written extensively about this analysing the limited data that GIDS etc kept. Transgender Trend have published many of his articles:
https://www.transgendertrend.com/the-tavistocks-experiment-with-puberty-blockers-part-5-the-belated-results/

Brendan O'Neill (Spiked) has written very powerfully about Musk's recent comments:

www.spiked-online.com/2024/07/23/elon-musk-has-revealed-the-pain-of-losing-a-child-to-the-trans-cult/

I have clicked on the link and I'm already aware of all of those studies from my own research. You don't just calculate an "average" from those studies and decide that figure is a definitive rate of desistance that can be quoted as fact especially given the low quality of studies.

I logged in to say this, but here it is, crisper, faster, better.

So: this. Exactly.

Plus, added attraction, being right wing has gotten him more power than left winging it, so with his kind of mind, it's a no-brainer.

It's an analysis of the available studies. The desistance rate was between 60% and 90% depending on the study. The average across all the studies shows a desistance rate of 80%. Nobody is saying this average rate is definitive. We have all been arguing for years that the available evidence is poor. We need more studies preferably ones were young children are allowed to go through puberty to see how many desist before they introduce studies that stick them all on puberty blockers at age 12 just because they are playing with the wrong toys.

I cannot fathom what sort of person thinks that a man is so bad that his child needs sterilising. This thinking is so deranged I just can't get my head around it.

Receipts? He appears to have ongoing contact with all of his children. He took the other surviving children from his first marriage to meet the pope with him last year.

Bear in mind before you make these claims, that you are talking about a man who's first child died in his arms, who is now talking about the metaphorical death of his second (with his twin brother) child. I don't think he uses this terminology easily when he knows the grief of a child dying.

Musk is definitely worthy of a lot of criticism for many things, including things related to his children and their mothers. But being able to criticise him for things he actually does doesn't give us open season to blast him for stuff we've made up or read somewhere that was probably made up.

I think it goes back to the point about how he wasn't involved with his children. He left child rearing to his incubators.

He expected to be Disney Dad.

Strangely enough his eldest has some sort of emotional difficulties, what with Dad abandoning and impregnating with half the west coast with his offspring and almost certainly also being autistic (like Dad).

Dad gets told something, and takes it at face value, what with being a megalomaniac and running a global empire from his Bond Villain HQ being his true love and priority.

Then Dad starts to wake up and realise he's been spun a crock o shite and he goes nuts.

The kid didn't want to tell Dad about any of it and deliberately hit information including admitting he wanted to be a woman.

I mean Dad's desire to repopulate the earth with his minions and probably expecting his sprogletts to be mini mes and then have a bit of a shock when they didn't turn out to be Daddy's minions probably would have an impact on your self esteem. There are lots of people who note that kids who come out as trans have a habit of living in the shadow of another sibling who perhaps gets more attention for some reason (sibling is disabled for example). Does anyone believe that Musk isn't training to find an heir who he believes is his match and shares his IQ? Imagine your Dad is Elon and trying to get attention isn't easy because Dad is too busy establishing a new moon colony.

Worth noting Musk himself is known to have issues with his self image too and has managed his weight with slimming pills.

So yes, I think if you knew your dad was keen to have a hoarde of offspring, and you were a rebellious teen?

Well done Elon for speaking up!

To be fair plenty of parents who are fully involved with their child and are primary careers, have also been pressured to go along with affirmation by the “your child will die” line. And plenty have tried to object or stop it happening too, though I also have sympathy with parents who believed it and just wanted the best for their DC.

This isn’t just happening to Musk because he’s a Disney dad or absent parent.

But I do agree being his child must be stressful. It’s not his DC’s fault either and extra pressure and media interest isn’t going to help..

https://www.transgendertrend.com/children-change-minds/

I think it came from some small research studies and was also what Kenneth Zucker said before he got forced out of GI treatment.

The practice of prescribing puberty blockers will have affected this now I guess.

I don't believe a word Musk says about his role in this. He is into pronatalism and the idea of spreading his superior genes into future generations; also preimplantation screening for "the best" fetuses. He's supporting Trump's electoral campaign.

I think either:

1. he's in a narcissistic rage that his ch8ld hasn't grown up to be the superior life form he planned;
2. he's cynically using his child's story to boost Trump's election campaign, or both.

I feel most sorry for his child. Parenting like that is going to screw you up.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/may/25/american-pronatalists-malcolm-and-simone-collins

I agree. His parenting attitudes, wealth and fame, will no doubt leave his children with issues, but the idea that he doesnt care about his children is groundless.

There will be lots of parents who are in his postion, and presumably their reaction to the Cass report and other information will depend on how their family have coped. With lots of other chilldren in the mix, im sure it isnt easy and is more complex than we can imagine.

Its becoming like lots of issues - those of us without trans children cannot speak because we have no experience, those of us with experience cannot speak because we are bad parents for doing so.

And yet you're happily deciding your own average rate of desistance and linking me studies where the highest figure is from a clinician who did advocate taking toys away from children in order to cure them of dysphoria and who also believed in preventative treatment homosexuality..forgive me if I still maintain you have no proper evidence to be repeating a resistance figure of 80% as fact when none of the studies you linked showed that figure and all of them are of very poor quality.

I think Musk should keep his mouth shut about his 20 year old offspring. It must be awful to have a parent spouting off about you for political gain. He was also slagging 'her' off as a communist recently, wasn't he?

Erm what’s with the accusations, I’ve not decided anything. You asked for a link re where the data has come from and I provided one. Transgender Trend is a reputable organisation and they are very clear on what the figure of 80% is based on.

I understand and acknowledge that the evidence is poor which is why my position is that before we start experimenting on children again with drugs with known harmful side-effect we should do some more research on the desistance rate.

Perhaps over the next 10 years they can do a large scale study on how many children who turn up at gender clinics grow out of the belief that they are the opposite sex by the time they have fully matured (c age 25). Or perhaps they can collect and analyse all the data that Hillary Cass was refused access to when she did her review. Also we should study the likely social contagion aspect of “gender” transition.

There are plenty of ways that we can improve our understanding of transgenderism especially in the cohort of 11-16 year old females before we start back down the route of “treating” them with harmful hormones.

To be fair, I asked another poster and you decided to provide a link which doesn't provide the information requested hence why I said you've decided to name the 80% as an average because you were providing that off your own back and you are justifying repeating a figure of 80% despite not having any reliable evidence to back that up. I wouldn't agree at all that the link you provided clearly backs it up either. That's not an accusation.

I’m not justifying anything. I was trying to be helpful by providing a link to how the 80% figure has come about. You’ve made a reasonable point that you are concerned that using an 80% figure is misleading and it’s fair enough to raise that point but actually even if you take the lower percentage of 60% the argument remains that we shouldn’t be give children drugs with significant side effects when at least 60% will desist if left alone. And if the current evidence is weak on the desistance rate we need to do more research before we start up with the puberty blockers again.

If you're not justifying it, I'm not sure why you are choosing to keep defending it despite not providing any further evidence. You have the information in your own link that shows all the studies were flawed and even the lowest rate of 63% provided is a figure that isn't based on confirmed desistance. We both agree more research is absolutely needed. It's not helpful at all to keep parroting statistics we know are inaccurate and based on flawed data when you can be factual and say this has a huge lack of research and we need reliable data of desistance.

Ffs I’ve said my position is that we need more evidence because the current evidence we do have is weak. I’m not sure how you are interpreting that as me defending anything. But whatever, I’m not engaging with you anymore because you are being needlessly antagonistic and it’s not worth the effort.

I know this doesn't answer the specific 80% question, but a link to this was posted on another thread recently and could be relevant to the larger question.

Some up to date research data from Germany (period 2013- 2022):

The nationwide billing data of the Associations of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians in Germany pursuant to Section 295 of the German Social Code (SGB, Sozialgesetzbuch) V were analyzed by the Central Research Institute of Ambulatory Health Care in Germany:

Excerpt from discussion section following results (confirmed F64 diagnosis after five years and diagnosis persistence was below 50% in all age groups (range 27.3% [15–19-year-old females] to 49.7% [20–24-year-old males]).

The diagnostic persistence over the 5-year follow-up period of less than 50% in all age groups is in line with the literature and presumably reflects the fluidity of the concept of gender identity in childhood and adolescence (5); however, it could also be interpreted as a an indication of the need for a comprehensive, standardized diagnostic procedure (www.cass.independent-review.uk/publications/final-report).
The strengths of our study are the complete collection of outpatient billing data from all persons with statutory health insurance as well as the long observation period. The sensitivity analyses confirm the robustness of trends in F64 diagnoses; even when the M1Q criterion is applied, prevalence is probably underestimated due to the lack of data from psychiatric outpatient clinics. A limitation is a minor ambiguity in the information on gender (in 2022 among approx. 0.3% of the insured persons: “unknown“/”undetermined”/”diverse”). In addition, it was not possible to verify the clinical validity of the coded diagnoses; for this reason, the broad diagnostic category F64/F66 was analyzed.
There is a need for further research into what causes the low diagnostic persistence and the observed increase in prevalence. In the meantime, diagnostic stability and the high prevalence of concomitant mental disorders should be taken into account in the recommendations on the initiation of gender reassignment treatment in adolescence.

www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/239563

I think he’s the only parent I’ve heard of who is admitting they regret what they did regarding their child (in this area). When we think of the lengths some parents have gone to to try and change the world for their child or reassure themselves they absolutely made the right call I think the fact he is openly saying this is a good thing.

Worth remembering that the reason for the absence of data about this cruel medical experimentation on children has been the wilful behaviour of trans activists who deemed research, evidence and data as "transphobic" and the shameful capitulation of a trans captured NHS who stood by uncaring. Spectacularly exposed by the adult trans medical centres who arrogantly refused to hand over data to Cass (no doubt aware of how condemning it will be) and who literally had to be compelled to hand it over.

Of course, no professional consequences for any of these activists masquerading as "medics" .

Are they an adult though if they haven't gone through puberty?

This article in the Times today:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/b3a1c144-116a-4cc1-b725-466c7be6e82e?shareToken=b0daaf03266908faf713922b54324e6e