Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender child

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Musk's position which he has held for a while is made made clear in this Jordan Peterson interview:

Elon Musk makes bombshell claim about his transgender son Xavier and how he was 'tricked': 'It's evil'

Elon Musk spoke out about how he believes he was 'tricked' by the woke mind virus into allowing his child to become a transgender woman.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13661573/Elon-Musk-makes-bombshell-claim-transgender-child-Tesla-CEO-tricked-evil.html

I think this is the counterpart to the TRA parents who are locked into supporting gender stuff. The parents who have seen through it and are committed to fighting back. Either you go the gender crit route or you back the right.

Musk is now funding Trump's election campaign to 45 million a month.

Interestingly Musk weirdly told JKR off for being too obsessed with women's rights recently.

The interesting thing will be that even though Musk is clearly against gender stuff he like other men with that position he will not really be targeted to the same extent a woman will be. Hardly any TRA will leave X or refuse to admire Musk's various projects. They won't abandon Marvel which put Musk in a movie Iron Man 2 in the same way they want to cancel Harry Potter. Because men get to do what they want.

This is another reason the gender project is increasingly unravelling. They want to stop women saying things, but at the same time they are not as concerned when powerful male dominated groups like Catholicism, Islam or powerful male individuals like Musk or Eminem say similar things.

Again, this is not the case. There is nothing to suggest that someone on puberty blockers until they are 18 or 19 can't resume puberty as normal if they choose to.

Yes it is confusing isn't it.

What are you basing this extraordinary statement on?

Fertility concerns of the transgender patient - PMC (nih.gov)

"Effects of puberty suppression
Pubertal suppression with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist analogs (GnRHa) is used in the pediatric transgender population as early as Tanner stage 2. This treatment prevents the development of permanent secondary sex characteristics incongruent with gender identity and can alleviate the psychological distress associated with these changes (20). Furthermore, it provides more time for these children to explore their gender identity. GnRHa-based pubertal suppression is reversible, but it also pauses maturation of germ cells, which could affect fertility potential (21-23). In children treated with GnRHa, 43 of 49 patients had a decrease in testicular volume (24). Similarly, a study of 87 girls with precocious puberty while on GnRHa showed a decrease in ovarian and uterine size during treatment, which subsequently increased in size with resumption of menstruation approximately 1 year after discontinuing therapy (25)."

so it COULD effect their fertility, not it 100% will.

But I really would have expected Elon Musk - of all people! - to ask tough questions and go back to the science and the evidence. He's not the kind of person to say "not my area" and let it go.

If a child is presenting as dysphoric (I have issues with this diagnosis) - treating them with puberty blockers is almost a guarantee that they will go on to cross sex hormones - which comes with big problems.

Posters are being disingenuous when they say PBs are safer than you think. They are not for dysphoric kids.

Letting children go through a natural puberty seems the best treatment for dysphoria as there is a 80% desistance rate. Treatment with puberty blockers leads to a lifetime of cross sex hormones dependence (unless they detransition.).

I think there is a lack of evidence (no surprise there) but they don't think so. They think there is a window where puberty takes place and if you miss that window it's unlikely that you would go through a perfectly ordinary puberty if you come off them after that window has closed. Trouble is nearly all children who start PBs go onto cross-sex hormones so by starting PBs at age 12 you are going to end up infertile in adulthood.

I think he is talking about the entire project - transitioning to the opposite sex.

Not just puberty blockers.

At least I think he is - I will watch it again!

He said his child is dead to him. He’s estranged from all his kids. He’s dead to them (though not through the choice of the very youngest of course - yet), because he’s a narcissist.

Also choosing to be interviewed by Jordan Pederson dressed, who chose this interview to dress like a piñata, says quite something about how unseriously he really takes this.

His success is built off the back of genuine genius engineers, scientists and manufacturers who he exploits and ruins until they can give no more. He hasn’t even got an original idea in his head - ‘woke mind virus’ has been kicking around far right circles forever, and he clearly has picked it up thinking he’s so terribly original.

A horrible human, who once duped many of us to thinking he actually had a positive vision for humanity. He can’t even say a positive thing about his own kid.

Complete pubertal blockade results in infertility.

True.

But presented with suicide or this one might well say "this" while starting the process of discovery. Discovery takes time - there is SO much to wade through.

The child was also quite far along by the time he was included.

Don't forget - he lost a baby before and suffered deeply because of that.

And impotence for boys and atrophy for girls.

Yes there is a lack of research.

There has been some research on Rams that showed puberty suppression during the critical developmental window caused longterm spacial memory reduction that was permanent.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333793/

I thought he said his son was dead - as in now that the child has transitioned he (Elon Musk) has to accept that the son no longer exists.

The child is now female. He addresses the child as female.

He has not banished the child - the child has banished.

With that in mind your critique is a little unfair.

The rest of it - who he works with etc I don't know much about.

None of this is true, why are you making stuff up that is so easily proved incorrect?! He is regularly seen with all his children bar the trans one and some of the littlest. His eldest (the trans one's twin I believe) is often seen at events with him, and he recently attended the graduation of the middle ones. I can't imagine why the fashion sense of the interviewer would have any relevance whatsoever to Elon's feelings about his estranged child, what an absurd thing to say?! Of course his employees make enormous contribution to his success (which he himself states at every opportunity) but forming the team, inspiring and directing them to accomplish what any sane person would have considered impossible is one hell of a skill - which is why no other companies are anywhere close to his despite the fact he doesn't even patent. Moreover, everyone who has ever worked with him (who are actual experts and no doubt know rather more than some angry little nobody on the internet!) has said he is an exceptional engineer with an exceptional intellect. You may not understand what he is achieving but that doesn't diminish his achievements. There are many, many things to criticize about him; there's no need or excuse to make up silly nonsense.

Who is Chloe?
Who is Alison?

Just confirms everything ive ever believed about him. And on top of that hes a shit father. Hope his child disowns him.

Mumsnet user AlisonDonut posted Chloe Cole's response to Elon upthread.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5125696-elon-musk-makes-bombshell-claim-about-his-transgender-child?reply=136984040&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

Chloe is a detransitioner who has been interviewed by Jordan Peterson too.

Very useful recent MN thread looking into the history of the use of puberty blockers with gender dysphoric children

Yes. Prof Sallie Baxendale discusses the 'window of opportunity'- particularly around pubertal brain development- in this talk:

Could you link this 80% desistance rate please? I have seen this quoted more than once.on this board and no one has provided a link. From my own research I can't find anything to confirm this and the highest desistance rate I could find was 63% however in that study anyone who didn't return to the clinic was classed as having desisted without that actually being confirmed or followed-up.

This might help…

https://www.transgendertrend.com/children-change-minds/

🙄 didn't link!
Here it is. Sorry:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5057269-5057269-puberty-blockers-how-exactly-did-we-get-here

Not really, it doesn't have a link to the study confirming the 80% figure that I see repeatedly here. Do you have that?

There is a link in the article that takes you to an analysis of the 10 relevant studies. You just need to click on the link. The figure of 80% is an average of those studies.