KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

[HootyMcBooby]

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

I also find it slightly amusing that on this thread those of us who are gender critical but do not support KJK’s American far-right tactics of trying to bully trans people out of their jobs, homes and families, are being accused of being woolly or indeed not gender critical at all.

Those who support her, on the other hand, have argued that she is showing “masculine energy” or behaving like a “mama bear”. Both of which are massive gender stereotypes of the kind that the gender critical perspective disavows. Shows what this is really about - the perpetuation of gender roles beloved of the highly conservative right from where KJK gets her ideology as well as her tactics.

It’s often said that KJK doesn’t claim to be a feminist; I suggest that those who support her differentiate themselves from actual gender critical feminists, who do not believe in gender stereotypes.

This whole "worrying about medical data" is a complete red herring.

Quite apart from the offensiveness of suggesting that a trans person would be more likely to do this than anyone else, presumably if you're a well-known person the outside chance that anyone could do this is there anyway.

If anything, I'd imagine the badge wearer was less likely to do this than the others, as they might worry they'd be the first to be suspected.

i don’t have that attitude - you are stating that the receptionist is a TRA because they are trans… she has no legitimate reasons.

this.

i think more people need to remember that GC does not mean feminist, as is the case with KJK. maybe leave discussions about women’s issues out if you’re going to repeat gender stereotypes? cos feminism isn’t about crap like ‘mama bear’ (actually shuddered)

and the idea that you’re not GC enough because you don’t want to harass and hound trans people out of their jobs just for existing.

But when the NHS expect nurses to use the same changing rooms as men with gender identity, how confident can i be?

The receptionist isn't there to request validation from GP patients. The receptionist is there to book appointments, send prescriptions etc not to exploit sick people as validation tools. They don't need to come out as a transman at all in this situation, nobody needs to know about their personal life.

I agree to a point, but I’d go further. What’s “gender critical” about reinforcing gender stereotypes (like “masculine energy” or “mama bear”)? I’d argue that KJK and her followers are not only not feminists, they’re not gender critical either.

'GC' doesnt mean anything if the person using it can't imagine scenarios where people would be confused, intimated, and humiliated by nhs staff expecting them to use wrong pronouns.

I dont want to book an intimate exam with a woman HCP, and have to explain this to a man who is wearing a she/her badge. Its worse for vulnerable women.

agreed with that point also. if womanhood is just stereotypes how is that different to trans people ‘cosplaying women using stereotypes!’

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"Only people who agree with me should answer this question, the rest of you shut up and go away"

@Alltheprettyseahorses

The receptionist isn't there to request validation from GP patients. The receptionist is there to book appointments, send prescriptions etc not to exploit sick people as validation tools. They don't need to come out as a transman at all in this situation, nobody needs to know about their personal life.

As a transman still presenting with some female attributes, perhaps the receptionist feels they are helping people solidify their identification of him.

Why on earth would someone mock you for that? Patients are entitled to ask for a same sex doctor, the staff hear that all day every day. A member of staff "mocking you" would be at risk of disciplinary for being unprofessional. Very much a false equivalence there and reminds me very much of a "women do it too" type thing that men say on here.

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this.

no one mocks people for asking for same sex care considering it’s a very frequent occurrence. everyone is entitled to ask for that.

There's another thread at the moment about an NHS worker who is thinking about wearing an adult human female badge at work.

If badges are in line with the dress code, there should be no issue, but most posters are advising her not to do this.

Why should it be OK to declare a belief in genderism by wearing a pronoun badge, but not to declare that you are a sex realist by wearing an adult human female badge?

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Did you actually just type that?
"It is fine to be trans, as long as you do it in private"

FFS. How regressive. Next it'll be women should stay at home in case their bodies offend the men.

We know that women have been mocked and refused treatment for requesting same sex care, so i dont know why people here are pretending otherwise.

Assuming someone will be criminal based on nothing but their protected identity is pure prejudice and discrimination.

I think she should wear the badge and "most posters" are overly paranoid.

However I also think there is a difference between a pronoun badge (which could be seen more like a name badge) and an "adult human female" badge which is purely a political statement. Depends what the employers policy is about pins at work.

I'd see an "adult human female" pin in much the same way as an "I love jesus" bangle and be a bit 🙄

Unless you rock up to Edinburgh Rape Crisis centre requesting that, then you’d be branded a bigot 🙄.

I think if I asked that receptionist for a female doctor I would almost expect to get a male doctor wearing a she/her badge, as I'd think the surgery was mocking everyone who believes that sex is real.

KJK said that the receptionist looked very much like a typical woman, and without the he/him badge nobody would have thought she was anything other than an ordinary woman.

We were talking about the NHS I thought
But yes, let's have a bit more whataboutery

@OldCrone

Why should it be OK to declare a belief in genderism by wearing a pronoun badge, but not to declare that you are a sex realist by wearing an adult human female badge?

One (pronouns) is a personal belief. The other is a political statement.

KJK said that the receptionist looked very much like a typical woman, and without the he/him badge nobody would have thought she was anything other than an ordinary woman.

I'm guessing that's why there was the need for the badge then.

typical women?
you mean societal gender norms?

also considering how small the population of trans people is in the UK - i doubt they have 2 in their GP surgery. and bear in mind, you ask for single SEX care.