KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

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Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

People can wear whatever they like in the UK. If its in line with the employers dress code there is no issue.

If you want pronoun badges banned, take it up with Wes Streeting not the receptionist. But I think he might have slightly higher priorities just now

You've been at this for 2 days, arent you bored or tired yet?

WTF, that could go for all commenters on here lol

I'm certainly bored and tired.

my vote is on rabbit hole

I'm not speaking to the receptionist, I'm asking here what the significance of the badge is.

Im asking a general question (not to you, to the discussion) - if its just something a staff member is allowed to wear, would it be transphobic not to refer to them with their preferred pronouns?

If so, is that fair to the patients attending the surgery. Should patients have to remember that the women on reception dosent want to be referred to as 'she'? Has the surgery looked at the impact of using preferred pronouns on patients?

If not, why wear the badge at all - wouldnt it just add unnecessary confusion?

The badge is either significant or it isn't. If it isnt significant for the employee, why wear it at work knowing it is confusing to many who are just there to be treated, if it is significant isn't that forcing gender ideology onto the public?

If I was KJK I’d rather not use that particular GP’s surgery as I’d be concerned my private medical information could be shared with people that have no right to it.

what a ridiculous argument.

As If gaining access to sensitive information isn’t something that ever happens? 🙄

if its just something a staff member is allowed to wear, would it be transphobic not to refer to them with their preferred pronouns?
No it wouldn't be transphobic, just rude.

If so, is that fair to the patients attending the surgery. Should patients have to remember that the women on reception dosent want to be referred to as 'she'?
They don't "have to remember" anything. That's why the receptionist is wearing the badge.

Has the surgery looked at the impact of using preferred pronouns on patients? What specific "impact" are you referring to? Should the surgery also look at the impact of having posters about cancer up in the waiting room on cancer survivors? What about the impact of their receptionist wearing a hijab on atheists?

If not, why wear the badge at all - wouldnt it just add unnecessary confusion? So patients who are happy to respect pronouns don't have to be reminded all the time what they are. So this staff member does not need to repeatedly "come out" as a trans man to patients, which would be stressful and exhausting

The badge is either significant or it isn't. If it isnt significant for the employee, why wear it at work knowing it is confusing to many who are just there to be treated, if it is significant isn't that forcing gender ideology onto the public?
It clearly is significant to the employee, or they wouldn't bother.
It is not "forcing gender ideology onto the public". It is making a request of the patients at that GP surgery. People are free to change doctors if they find it that offensive. There is no need for abuse or hostility to the receptionist though in any circumstances.

in that case why ever sign up to a GP?
the receptionist has not acted in a way that would indicate they were doing anything. stop flinging around accusations

get over it KJK was very much in the wrong in this situation.

The couple of trans people I have worked with in the NHS didn't.
One of them did wear a rainbow badge, but so do various gay, lesbian and straight people at my workplace. The intention of the badges is to show the person is committed "to being someone who an LGBTQ+ person can feel comfortable talking to about issues relating to sexuality or gender identity".

I imagine KJK is pretty wary of the alphabet people. Fear and anger often go hand in hand.

i especially love the idea that wearing the badge doesn’t do the reminding for people…

most people would see it and go ‘oh ok’ and move on with their life

I am no fan KJK but these latest outbursts make me concerned for her mental health.

She seems to have lost all self-awareness and I've noticed a lot of her previous supporters are backing away.

The dopamine rush from social media attention is addictive and it feels like she's chasing a high by being increasingly outrageous.

If I was her mate I'd suggest taking a break from her activism and having some talking therapy.

Why does anyone need to be talking about 'issues relating to sexuality or gender identity' at work? Can you not just all get on with doing your jobs?

Most people.haven"t stuck their head above the parapet and been targeted like KJK.

I don't understand this - why would the fact that the receptionist was wearing a pronoun badge mean staff are more likely to break GDPR /patient confidentiality laws?

It mainly means patients can feel comfortable talking to the person about concerns/issues, not staff talking to each other.
If I were trans (I'm not - I don't understand gender and don't have a gender) I'd quite possibly be worried about telling someone about that for fear of being mocked.

i especially love the idea that wearing the badge doesn’t do the reminding for people…

Its only a reminder when a patient can see the badge, and most people dont use pronouns directly to the person. So, no, for most people the badge isnt a reminder.

Its just the surgery expecting patients to remember irrelevant information about staff.

What specific "impact" are you referring to? Should the surgery also look at the impact of having posters about cancer up in the waiting room on cancer survivors? What about the impact of their receptionist wearing a hijab on atheists?

I specifically said you didnt need to answer the question, given you do not understand the needs of patients who may be using the surgery.

The surgery have a duty to prioritise patients, and i would hope that they would not be like you and label elderly, those with special needs, vision problems, and more, as 'rude'.

It works the other way, too.

When i request a female nurse or doctor, i would feel i could be mocked if the staff are wearing pronoun badges.

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I’ve not accused anyone. I’ve suggested KJK might not choose to use that particular surgery for perfectly legitimate reasons.

Perhaps you need to get over your very obvious TRA’s can do no wrong attitude.

I can remember when rainbow lanyards and badges first came in, oh perhaps nearly 20 years ago now I think. It was as someone just said, to signal to patients who needed to know that this is a safe person to be open with about your sexuality or gender identity.

Speaking as a lesbian (yes, the old fashioned female kind, and also the kind who is gender critical, doesn’t believe it’s possible to change sex and advocates for no men in women’s spaces) almost every medical appointment I’ve had that’s for something more consequential than a sore throat, it matters. When I had serious surgery I was constantly being asked if I could possibly be pregnant and how I could be so sure I wasn’t. I was also asked about what support I had at home and who was looking after me. Similarly with appointments for mental health concerns and gynaecology and every smear test I’ve ever had. If someone’s wearing a rainbow lanyard I know it’s safe to be honest about my life and if they’re not I know I’m taking a chance of being judged. That’s what rainbow lanyards are for.

Point taken, though I was specifically talking about the reasoning behind rainbow badges, not pronoun ones. They very much cover LG and B as well as T, so don't necessarily indicate a person's views on gender identity.