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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

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HootyMcBooby · 19/07/2024 17:15

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

I've had to leave my GP surgery due to an activist working there. #LWS #LetWomenSpeak #LWSLocals

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OldCrone · 22/07/2024 10:05

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:02

I think she should wear the badge and "most posters" are overly paranoid.

However I also think there is a difference between a pronoun badge (which could be seen more like a name badge) and an "adult human female" badge which is purely a political statement. Depends what the employers policy is about pins at work.

I'd see an "adult human female" pin in much the same way as an "I love jesus" bangle and be a bit 🙄

Pronoun badges are very much political statements, even though many people who support them don't realise this because they've been brainwashed by genderist rhetoric.

illinivich · 22/07/2024 10:05

An nhs trust expect female nurses to use the same changing rooms as men who say they are women. Is that whataboutery, too?

BeachParty · 22/07/2024 10:06

Myalternate · 22/07/2024 08:33

😆
I’ve not accused anyone. I’ve suggested KJK might not choose to use that particular surgery for perfectly legitimate reasons.

Perhaps you need to get over your very obvious TRA’s can do no wrong attitude.

This person isn't a TRA though. They're just someone being trans in public, doing their job.Not necessarily an activist. The word has lost all meaning at this point.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/07/2024 10:07

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:03

We were talking about the NHS I thought Confused
But yes, let's have a bit more whataboutery

The NHS make referrals to there.

Wearing an adult human female badge isn’t a political statement. It’s a statement of fact.

Comprehension skills still through the fucking floor on this thread. Roll on 1000 posts.

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 10:07

BeachParty · 22/07/2024 10:06

This person isn't a TRA though. They're just someone being trans in public, doing their job.Not necessarily an activist. The word has lost all meaning at this point.

yeah they really don’t seem to understand what activism is if they’re just going to apply it to anyone and everyone.

OldCrone · 22/07/2024 10:08

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:04

KJK said that the receptionist looked very much like a typical woman, and without the he/him badge nobody would have thought she was anything other than an ordinary woman.

I'm guessing that's why there was the need for the badge then.

There was no need for the badge. Patients don't need to know about the receptionist's special internal gender feelings when they're booking an appointment.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/07/2024 10:08

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 09:58

😱
Did you actually just type that?
"It is fine to be trans, as long as you do it in private"

FFS. How regressive. Next it'll be women should stay at home in case their bodies offend the men.

I think you're responding to the wrong post there because I certainly haven't said that. Are you actually arguing that a doctor's receptionist should be able to exploit sick patients for constant 'coming out' validation? A receptionist should be professional, efficient and patient-focused not the main character in some drama.

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 10:09

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/07/2024 10:07

The NHS make referrals to there.

Wearing an adult human female badge isn’t a political statement. It’s a statement of fact.

Comprehension skills still through the fucking floor on this thread. Roll on 1000 posts.

it is a political statement in that its merchandise for a movement with the creator someone who wants to be a politician. much like having a political party badge.

pronoun badge would be similar to having a name badge or a rainbow flag pin.

quantumbutterfly · 22/07/2024 10:09

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 09:49

agreed with that point also. if womanhood is just stereotypes how is that different to trans people ‘cosplaying women using stereotypes!’

I hear the sound of a penny dropping.🙄

I had hoped that the phrase 'i posit' would convey my sarcastic intent, but I guess I expected too much.

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 10:10

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/07/2024 10:08

I think you're responding to the wrong post there because I certainly haven't said that. Are you actually arguing that a doctor's receptionist should be able to exploit sick patients for constant 'coming out' validation? A receptionist should be professional, efficient and patient-focused not the main character in some drama.

being trans in public is not exploiting other people around you. they are just living their life like everyone else.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/07/2024 10:11

MessinaBloom · 22/07/2024 09:53

@Alltheprettyseahorses

The receptionist isn't there to request validation from GP patients. The receptionist is there to book appointments, send prescriptions etc not to exploit sick people as validation tools. They don't need to come out as a transman at all in this situation, nobody needs to know about their personal life.

As a transman still presenting with some female attributes, perhaps the receptionist feels they are helping people solidify their identification of him.

A name badge is enough.

OldCrone · 22/07/2024 10:14

MessinaBloom · 22/07/2024 10:03

@OldCrone

Why should it be OK to declare a belief in genderism by wearing a pronoun badge, but not to declare that you are a sex realist by wearing an adult human female badge?

One (pronouns) is a personal belief. The other is a political statement.

Wearing a pronoun badge not only declares a personal belief but also implies the expectation that others will pretend to share that belief.

Is this not political? Or is it evangelism?

Wearing an adult human female badge just declares a belief in the reality of sex (which the NHS should share).

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/07/2024 10:16

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/07/2024 10:08

I think you're responding to the wrong post there because I certainly haven't said that. Are you actually arguing that a doctor's receptionist should be able to exploit sick patients for constant 'coming out' validation? A receptionist should be professional, efficient and patient-focused not the main character in some drama.

Correct. They shouldn’t be the main character in some drama, so a name badge with their position should suffice. Not a statement to let everyone know they feel they have a special identity.

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:19

illinivich · 22/07/2024 10:05

An nhs trust expect female nurses to use the same changing rooms as men who say they are women. Is that whataboutery, too?

Yes. Because this thread is about KJKs latest tantrum. Hth.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/07/2024 10:19

Wearing an adult human female badge just declares a belief in the reality of sex (which the NHS should share).

Exactly. Just because KJK copped on and made some merch out of it doesn't mean that it's now solely a political statement. She doesn't own a statement of fact.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/07/2024 10:20

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 10:10

being trans in public is not exploiting other people around you. they are just living their life like everyone else.

Living life - with extra demands from vulnerable people. The wearing of political pronoun badges is an attempt to exploit others. Unless directly related to patient/customer illness or disability, no lanyards or badges should be worn in a medical or service context.

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:21

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/07/2024 10:08

I think you're responding to the wrong post there because I certainly haven't said that. Are you actually arguing that a doctor's receptionist should be able to exploit sick patients for constant 'coming out' validation? A receptionist should be professional, efficient and patient-focused not the main character in some drama.

They don't need to come out as a transman at all in this situation, nobody needs to know about their personal life.
AKA be trans in private in case you upset people.
Ridiculous.

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:22

quantumbutterfly · 22/07/2024 10:09

I hear the sound of a penny dropping.🙄

I had hoped that the phrase 'i posit' would convey my sarcastic intent, but I guess I expected too much.

No. You hear the sound of a GC feminist saying a GC thing.
Just because she's not MN FWR Approved GC doesn't mean she's not GC

OldCrone · 22/07/2024 10:22

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:04

KJK said that the receptionist looked very much like a typical woman, and without the he/him badge nobody would have thought she was anything other than an ordinary woman.

I'm guessing that's why there was the need for the badge then.

There was no need for the badge. Patients shouldn't be used as validation tools for the fantasy lives of staff.

I could imagine my mother (in her 90s) being very confused and asking the woman on reception why she was wearing the badge. Would that be seen as a hate incident? What if she replied "but you're obviously a woman" when the receptionist told her she was wearing it because she was a man?

Topofthemountain · 22/07/2024 10:23

I roll my eyes as much as the next person when it comes to pronoun badges, but there is certainly a lot of conjecture going on here.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/07/2024 10:23

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:19

Yes. Because this thread is about KJKs latest tantrum. Hth.

Do you know how discussion works? Other points are introduced as the conversation evolves, sometimes deviates off the topic in hand. You don’t need to shout ‘whataboutery’ every time something mentions something other than KJK. As chief thread derailer Cassie you should surely know this.

Putting HTH at the end of shit points makes one look daft.

BeachParty · 22/07/2024 10:24

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:21

They don't need to come out as a transman at all in this situation, nobody needs to know about their personal life.
AKA be trans in private in case you upset people.
Ridiculous.

Exactly
"Keep that sort of thing in private" is what it boils down to for some.

OldCrone · 22/07/2024 10:24

Alwaystired94 · 22/07/2024 10:10

being trans in public is not exploiting other people around you. they are just living their life like everyone else.

If they're expecting people to participate in their fantasy that they've changed sex, they are exploiting other people.

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 10:25

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/07/2024 10:23

Do you know how discussion works? Other points are introduced as the conversation evolves, sometimes deviates off the topic in hand. You don’t need to shout ‘whataboutery’ every time something mentions something other than KJK. As chief thread derailer Cassie you should surely know this.

Putting HTH at the end of shit points makes one look daft.

Other points are introduced to distract when people get a bit too close to saying MN FWR heresy you mean 😂

Topofthemountain · 22/07/2024 10:26

And that's a wrap.

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