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KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

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HootyMcBooby · 19/07/2024 17:15

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

I've had to leave my GP surgery due to an activist working there. #LWS #LetWomenSpeak #LWSLocals

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CassieMaddox · 21/07/2024 22:45

Toseland · 21/07/2024 22:34

Like I say - try to put yourself in Posie's shoes, of course it's a safeguarding worry!
Anyone wearing such blatent political paraphernalia at work may cause concern to other and opposing groups as trust is broken. But at the moment only one special group's feelings matter don't they?

OK. You are being completely OTT, so I'm not going to even try to discuss that as if its reasonable Confused

WinkyMcFlapFace · 21/07/2024 22:49

Wumblewimble · 21/07/2024 22:37

I'm glad the surgery will be inundated with emails protesting at KJKs treatment. People in charge need to see that imposing pronouns and trans agenda is not popular with the majority of the population.

Oh sure.

Really helpful to sick people in serious need of help, attention and focus from the staff in that practice.

Slow hand clap.

And I just bet the manager of that contracted GP practice will be sure to tell the NHS leadership to immediately disallow all pronoun badges and rainbow lanyards, being as KJK made such a strong and reasonable case for it in a respectful and persuasive manner.

BeachParty · 21/07/2024 22:49

CassieMaddox · 21/07/2024 22:19

I'm wondering where BezMills and "stone cold legend" is 🧐

Not come across that one yet!

Wumblewimble · 21/07/2024 22:52

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Anklespraying · 21/07/2024 22:53

Do trans people wear pronoun badges a lot?

Toseland · 21/07/2024 22:55

CassieMaddox · 21/07/2024 22:22

It's not a fucking "safeguarding worry" don't be ridiculous.
That would be like me claiming male GPs at my surgery are a "safeguarding worry" due to my repeated abuse at the hands of men Confused
If she genuinely is that worried she needs psychological support because that's outside the realms of usual concerns.

It's not like you claiming male GPs at your surgery are a "safeguarding worry" due to your repeated abuse at the hands of men... unless those men are still currently stalking you or are part of a bigger worldwide gang that will do anything necessary to take you down or destroy you or your family.

She might not need psychological support but she does need the Practice Manager to take this seriously and to step-up and protect her because yes she is living outside the realms of usual concerns - she is one of the leading women's rights campaigners in this country and unfortunately today this is a dangerous position.

BeachParty · 21/07/2024 23:00

It's not like you claiming male GPs at your surgery are a "safeguarding worry" due to your repeated abuse at the hands of men... unless those men are still currently stalking you or are part of a bigger worldwide gang that will do anything necessary to take you down or destroy you or your family

"Part of a bigger worldwide gang" -people who are trans are just that, trans. They're people. Who happen to be trans.
Going about their business.
Not automatically "part of a worldwide gang."
Apply that to another minority such as being openly gay in your workplace and see how ridiculous it sounds.

AgileGreenSeal · 21/07/2024 23:01

nutmeg7 · 19/07/2024 22:34

The difficulty seems to be that it is not sufficient for trans people not to be discriminated against in employment situations or provision of housing etc. (where the equality act applies).

It has also become a requirement that we all pretend to share (or actually share) the belief that it is possible to change sex. Most people do not really believe this when it comes down to a very direct conversation about it, but are often happy to be kind and polite in the company of a trans person, and not point this out.

This belief system can’t possibly be forced onto the whole population, so people with a trans identity will need to learn to accept they cannot control the thoughts and beliefs of others, and must find a way of realistically coming to terms with this limitation of the real world.

People who don’t share your beliefs don’t hate you, they just don’t agree with you. If this is psychologically devastating (and I can see it might be if you rely on external validation from every person you meet to make you feel ok) then some psychological help is needed.

If the trans community just keep pushing and insisting that everyone must believe the theory that a person’s sex is not physical reality but some sort of undefinable metaphysical construct, people will eventually get fed up of being bossed about, and will withdraw the goodwill that most people tend to extend as part of natural politeness and courtesy.

This is the crux of the problem.

if a woman wants to call herself a man that’s her choice.

my choice is to live in reality and to not participate in lies.

Women are adult human females
Men are adult human males
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Anklespraying · 21/07/2024 23:01

India says that all the banks are doing it. But doesn't actually have a badge on.

Tells Simon ladies are supposed to go first! But not with wearing badges apparently

Halifax boycott over pronoun badges at bank

Hundreds of Halifax customers say they're closing down their accounts after the bank said anyone who disagrees with their new policy of putting staff pronoun...

https://youtu.be/xZ_FBkDZRI8?si=-JM7M0IvDzEOKfed

BeachParty · 21/07/2024 23:03

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Nowhere do we know that this person at the surgery is an "activist" though.
The word has become meaningless when it seems to mean anyone who doesn't automatically see trans people and think threat,or just being trans in the first place.

Gemmy96 · 21/07/2024 23:06

What is with this Mumsnet obsession with trans people, I'll never understand it

Anklespraying · 21/07/2024 23:09

https://images.app.goo.gl/haLHrgjYFqPg5Nqe6

Whittle wearing something but no a pronoun badge. Doesn't look very well.

https://images.app.goo.gl/haLHrgjYFqPg5Nqe6

Wumblewimble · 21/07/2024 23:11

Gemmy96 · 21/07/2024 23:06

What is with this Mumsnet obsession with trans people, I'll never understand it

We're obsessed with women's rights and the ability to speak the truth and name ourselves

BeachParty · 21/07/2024 23:17

Wumblewimble · 21/07/2024 23:11

We're obsessed with women's rights and the ability to speak the truth and name ourselves

I can still name myself, still be content and confident in the fact that I'm an "adult human female" and still have no problem with people going about their daily lives, doing their jobs, whilst being trans.
The person in this video KJ has beef with seems to be female.
It's not even about waargh men in my spaces!"
It's just going after anyone who comes across as trans or wears a supportive badge at this point.

Anklespraying · 21/07/2024 23:19

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/transgender-woman?page=2

Loads of photos. No badges though. Seems like there's no need for them.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/transgender-woman?page=2

Wumblewimble · 21/07/2024 23:21

Anklespraying · 21/07/2024 23:19

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/transgender-woman?page=2

Loads of photos. No badges though. Seems like there's no need for them.

You don't need pronoun badges to see they are male in those photos
edit to say trans need badges to lie about their sex

Topofthemountain · 21/07/2024 23:22

It's not even about "waargh men in my spaces!"I t's just going after anyone who comes across as trans or wears a supportive badge at this point.*

Yes, it does seem to fly in the face of accepting trans men into the definition of feminism because they are actually female.

Anklespraying · 21/07/2024 23:28

Wumblewimble · 21/07/2024 23:21

You don't need pronoun badges to see they are male in those photos
edit to say trans need badges to lie about their sex

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Yes, you can see they are male. Lots of work photos, no pronoun badges. It's not a normal thing for people who look their own sex but are dressed up as the opposite sex to wear a badge pointing this out.

Toseland · 21/07/2024 23:32

BeachParty · 21/07/2024 23:00

It's not like you claiming male GPs at your surgery are a "safeguarding worry" due to your repeated abuse at the hands of men... unless those men are still currently stalking you or are part of a bigger worldwide gang that will do anything necessary to take you down or destroy you or your family

"Part of a bigger worldwide gang" -people who are trans are just that, trans. They're people. Who happen to be trans.
Going about their business.
Not automatically "part of a worldwide gang."
Apply that to another minority such as being openly gay in your workplace and see how ridiculous it sounds.

Not automatically "part of a worldwide gang."
They are; all the people who protest Posie at Let Women Speak events shout the same slogans, they all sing "Let it Go", fly the same flags, act aggressively, shout the same abusive words and try to drown out the women speaking - worldwide.
Apply that to another minority such as being openly gay in your workplace
Gay people aren't attacking other groups of people (well, not that I know of)
Going about their business
Which is detrimentally affecting mine, my daughter's, my mother's, my friends and colleagues' business.

Anklespraying · 21/07/2024 23:33

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BeachParty · 21/07/2024 23:55

Going about their business
Which is detrimentally affecting mine, my daughter's, my mother's, my friends and colleagues' business
This person is going about their business, just doing their job. Wearing a badge, but doing nothing else apart from doing their job.
Even if they need to go to the bog, they're apparently female.
So what actually is the problem?!
How does this scenario affect you?

illinivich · 22/07/2024 00:14

Are they wearing the badge as jewellery, or is the expectation that patients should read and remember whats on the badge and then refer to the receptionist in the preferred pronouns?

If so, why put this pressure on patients, if not, why wear the badge?

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 00:41

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Either you are being provocative or you are very far down the rabbit hole....

CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 00:44

Toseland · 21/07/2024 23:32

Not automatically "part of a worldwide gang."
They are; all the people who protest Posie at Let Women Speak events shout the same slogans, they all sing "Let it Go", fly the same flags, act aggressively, shout the same abusive words and try to drown out the women speaking - worldwide.
Apply that to another minority such as being openly gay in your workplace
Gay people aren't attacking other groups of people (well, not that I know of)
Going about their business
Which is detrimentally affecting mine, my daughter's, my mother's, my friends and colleagues' business.

Get a grip
Not all trans people are at KJK events sing let it go, blah blah. What a strange position to take

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