Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Can I suggest that you look back on which party brought in the Gender Recognition Act 2004? The issues around the lack of clarity of the EA2010 is about the GRA. It was a Labour led government I am afraid who created poorly constructed law that has allowed this to happen.

Extremely concerned, also concerned about Harmen taking over from Faulkner at the EHRC. She should a complete lack of judgment over PIE.

Women and girls are 51% of the population. Eradication of single-sex spaces affects us all.

But “cis” men do this sort of thing all the time?? There are no safe spaces, there are no single sex spaces. Men can and do invade spaces which are not for them. Men don’t need to transition to
prey on women.

Argh this argument! You don't fucking remove basic safeguarding measures because 'men are going to do it anyway'. You don't make it easier.

As a fellow lesbian I respect your experience but don’t share it at all (nor your point of view). Everything you are experiencing now has nothing to do with the future political party in charge, anyway. I (alongside my countless lesbian friends) have never felt not welcome or unsafe due to trans women in our spaces, but personally I have also always been welcoming and treated people with respect (and yes, I don’t date/sleep with transwomen (I am not saying I never would as love can surpise you but never have and have little interest to so it’s unlikely) and I don’t hide it either and I am still very much welcome in my spaces.

As a woman I would say that most of my threats very much come from men who feel like men and fully embrace their testosterone levels and as such feel powerful enough to control me, my body and my rights.

Trans people pose very little threat in comparison to all the men in charge or those who walk the streets at night. Guess who have enough power to truly strip me from my rights as a gay woman of color? Men. How many trans women do you know in position of power? All those policies you are afraid of are currently voted in and mainly enforced by men (not trans women but men).

Trans people are 1% or so of the population. In that 1% how many of them are proven rapists? What’s the ratio vs men who completely identify as men?

As a lesbian have you never felt harassed by other women (not trans women) in lesbian or queer spaces? Because I have. In fact in lesbian spaces I have never ever been harassed by a trans woman despite them being present and almost always have felt harassed by other women/fellow lesbians. The trans women I have met have been completely understanding if I am not interested, but I have had plenty of lesbians who weren’t so keen on taking a no. I have also definitely been assaulted by other women.

In fact I wouldn’t even be surprised if the number of sexual assault at the hand of women is equivalent or even higher than those of transwomen. As in, both very low, with very little data on the subject, but yes. Women aren’t necessarily the best as taking no for an answer either.

So, yes your choice to sleep with whoever you want should always be respected but I personally don’t think trans women are a threat to my freedom (at least not any bigger threat than any other demographic. In fact religious women are likely a bigger threat to me in terms of policies they might want implemented in that regard if given the choice and they probably make up for a much bigger portion of the population than trans women.)

So I think a lot of women care about their rights and that’s why they vote the way they vote. Because trans folks while maybe worrying for some (not for me) are really not the biggest threat to women, their rights and their well-being right now.

Handed out like sweets 😂 waiting lists for actual required treatment has been at an all time high under the Tories. You think Labour will be dishing puberty blockers out like sweets when they can’t always deliver chemo to the people that need it? Yes, I’m sure “puberty blockers” will be top of the agenda!

Because the median position generally held by the public is muddled and inconsistent - generally thinking that trans women should be treated like women in some instances but not in others. Starmer was not going to be punished for his inconsistencies and muddle because that's pretty much how the majority of people feel too. He knew he was going to lose some votes from those who feel very strongly (on both sides) but eventually settled on a position that would limit the damage . And it seems to have worked.

Some of us stepped back from these boards because they got tired of pointing out that the median public position on trans rights is quite a long way both from Stonewall AND The Party of Women and that there were dangers in GCs positioning themselves too far outside the majority view. You may think it's impossible to balance trans rights and female rights but the majority would like it to be possible. Ultimately "Labour Loosing Women" was issuing cheques it couldn't cash.

It isn't a trans people issue. It's a MEN issue.

It's not about so called 'transwomen' it's about men.

Men as a sex class (transwomen are men, humans cannot change sex) are a threat to women - fact.

Replacing sex with the concept of 'gender identity' removes the distinction between women and men. Women's spaces, legal protections, healthcare, prisons, sports, changing rooms, everything, cease to exist because they're now mixed sex.

I really don't understand why some people find it so difficult to grasp this.

If you're OK with that, not just for yourself but for every other woman including severely learning disabled women, women with dementia, incarcerated women, rape survivors and more, then I'm truly amazed.

Tbh I'd rather the government, sports governing bodies and so on were just honest and abolished sex categories, that would at least make it clear to people what is happening.

At the moment it's not regarded as a big issue by many because it's still relatively hidden. Also, because women are by definition second class citizens in a patriarchal world, their rights, needs and wants are secondary to men's even amongst other women (remember transwomen are men, it's the only qualification).

Well don’t be.

Only time will tell.

No one knows more trans people than GC people. Considering they're only 0.5% of the population, every GC mumsnetter knows multiple of them and their children's schools are swarmed with them. How odd.

Well, there's an obvious correlation, isn't there? The more people encounter "trans" people, the more people realise the problems their demands cause.

People who haven't encountered the current set of trans "rights" demands can live in blissful ignorance and claim those who are having to deal with them are "hysterical" or making up stuff that will "never happen".

It only takes one man calling himself "trans" or a "woman" to destroy an entire female team/group/organisation.

Going back to OPs question. There's an aspect of class warfare going on. Middle class women with nice middle class professional jobs rarely have to suffer the consequences of their actions around supporting transwomen being treated as if they are indeed women. Middle class women are much less likely to go to prison, go to women's refuges, work as a nurse or care assistant, they can pay their way out of having to interact with and witness the problems this ideology creates.

And as previous posters have mentioned this stuff is going on in schools. I saw materials in primary schools as a parent, and as an ex-teacher in secondary schools that would make your toes curl. Fortunately the kids were appalled by the stuff the PSHCE contractor told them so I have some faith that this could turn around as they come of age to vote.

@traytablestowed @LonginesPrime

Well then enjoy!

The OP is one implying people who voted labour mustn’t care about women’s rights, so why’s it so hard for them to believe labour voters do care about women’s rights but also other important issues to.

Plus, did you not read the OP? They were asking for opinions of labour voters if they did care about women’s rights. Hence why people who don’t care are posting in the thread.

They were around before the last election. There's an equivalent for most parties.

They have been banned from having a stand at the Labour Party conference.

That's what we're dealing with.

It’s because Starmer changes what he says depending on who he’s speaking to and what day of the week it is. Also his policies are completely contradictory and the language he uses is unclear. Nobody really knows what he thinks so each side are assuming he is against them.

and yes, I don’t date/sleep with transwomen (I am not saying I never would as love can surpise you

Why would you leave open even the smallest possiblity of dating or sleeping with men, if you are, supposedly, a lesbian?

Just say 'men'. Trans identified men are men - and a large number of TiM commit violence against women, a higher % of their group than men who do not so identify. Male violence is male violence - doesn't matter that he wears dress.

And that right there has just proven OP's point.
I worry about the lack of safe spaces for women. Ladies, if the new PM can't quantify what a woman is, we're in deep shit!

YES. Labour has not gained any more support overall. Also in quite a few areas the votes were astonishingly close. Labour know they are on because of the atrocious carry on by the Conservatives.

@Mrsdyna thanks, I am it's so great to finally have the Tory's out!!! I'm looking forward to a brighter future for this country, including all the women in it who have been so badly let down for the last 14 years.

I’m not sure that getting hysterical and being a doommonger over this is going to achieve anything.

I think as females right now we need to start invading the Gents.
Every time. Even if we just wash our hands.
The only way Men will back us is if they have a problem....

What has T got to do with sexuality?

Why have they co-opted a gay, lesbian and bi movement and made it all about them?

Chilling