Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Nice use of a misogynistic term there.

I presume everyone who makes this argument never locks their front door when they go out. Afterall thieves don’t need to use the door to break into a house.

Quite right. Yet no government should be making it even easier by allowing male people into female single sex spaces via policy and guidance.

Under the influence of political lobby groups such as Stonewall, the current situation has been allowed. Telling female people that ‘it is going to happen anyway’ is certainly not going to close the loopholes that have been created intentionally or unintentionally. Telling female people it is going happen anyway, has a chilling effect on campaigning to make women and children safer.

Aww, bless 😂

Except there’s no threat to them so it’s much less of a big deal in the gents.

Yes men deserve privacy too but the big issue here is safety

Precisely, for me I always think about some poor woman who has dementia being forced to accept intimate care from someone she correctly identifies as male but keeps being told is a woman. It’s gaslighting.

If you let one man in how do you prevent others from also entering?

Actually many schools use teaching resources from activist organisations and do teach gender ideology as a fact...rather than as a contested theory. Also, many schools have activist teachers running LGBTQ+ lunchtime clubs.

Five kids. Five different schools. Haven't come across any of this. Not "many" schools, I think you mean "some" and even then it's probably a tiny majority. Stop scaremongering.

@Mrsdyna sorry you didn't get the result you wanted hun.

That's not making the point you think it is.

Every lid dem and green is a danger too.

They are seriously deranged.

That's ok, neither will you.

Are you saying that people who claim to be non-binary are not trans? I know Stonewall kicked out the cross-dressers last week but I didn’t know they’d turned their backs on the they/thems too.

Trans women are no more of a threat to me than any other woman. Trans women are disproportionately vulnerable

Actual evidence suggests that this isn’t true. Transwomen conform to male pattern violent offending.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

Yes!

And just for clarity for those who consider men are women too, MALE people are the issue. Including male people who claim
not to be men.

No, there was LGB for decades, where we fought for equal rights and won. Stonewall had fulfilled its remit, but it had staff to pay and spare capacity — so the TQ+ saw an opportunity and quietly approached Ruth Hunt with a proposal.

Because of Hunt's bad decision to add the TQ+, the LGB community was forced into a marriage which they didn't consent to. It's a toxic relationship in which people who are sex-based (LGB is all about same SEX attraction) are expected to support people who are GENDER-feelings-based (who believe if a man says he's a woman and a lesbian, he's a woman and a lesbian — even though he's very clearly a man). This is a classic abusive relationship. And lots of gay men, in particular, absolutely hate the word Queer after years of queer-bashing. So to be tethered to the TQ+ is a nightmare.

The LGB need to divorce the TQ+ who are leeching off them and destroying the concept of same-sex attraction and same-sex-sexuality. And then they need to take out a restraining order to prevent the TQ+ ever coming near them again.

Honestly, people can fuck off with the accusations that "women have let each other down", or the insinuation that women who voted for Labour are too stupid to understand the issues (which is drenched in misogyny, btw).

It's not been an easy vote to cast. I am deeply, deeply worried about the threat to women's rights. But right now, in the present moment, my family is in desperate need of better healthcare provision, better SEND provision and a better educational system. We can't wait any longer. It may be the difference between one of my children being able to live an independent life or needing care forever. It could be the difference between one of my children's parents having their mobility or not within the next few years. I don't know if Labour can make the difference, but I am absolutely certain that things would only have declined further under the Tories. I don't think for a second that KS actually believes TWAW. I am hopeful that some common sense will prevail and that there is continued pressure on the incoming government.

I will not be made to feel guilty for casting my vote in the interests of my family and thousands upon thousands of others in similar circumstances. This was an awful hand to be dealt and we've done what we think is the "least worst".

Exactly. Why bother with new ways of finding deterrents, ring doorbells and the like.

They have an almost 200 seat majority, they can literally do whatever the fuck they like. And the Libs won't be stopping them.

This is why I despaired at all the gloating (although I can't say I was sorry when Truss got the boot) because we must have a decent, coherent opposition. To everyone wildly celebrating a Labour win-enjoy it. But please think about what happens when they do something you don't like. Who will be there to dissent?

I shouldn't be scared about children being taught inappropriate stuff? Or little girls sharing a changing room with men who claim to identify as women? Starmer wants to bring in self ID and allow men to be in female only spaces. Starmer doesn't care about protecting women and girls.

The T is antithetical to the LGB. Gender ideology has caused incalculable damage to the L in particular, with same-SEX attracted women being called sexual racists.

Shame on you and your white MRA horror show

I have a DC who is a lesbian and vocal about biological sex, I’m scared for her. However I did not vote Tory nor Labour. Sickens me that so many did.

edited because I went to say I voted neither T nor L but wasn’t sure if it was grammatically correct, changed the sentence and forgot to remove the whole thing 🤦🏻‍♀️

I'm not a Lesbian. I am not happy with transwomen being in my spaces, however. They are men, what are they doing in my lavatories, my changing rooms, my sports, my prizes, my refuges, my prisons? There is a lot of evidence that TiMs and their allies commit violence against women, GC women who dare to say that TiMs are men, both verbally (you need only look at the threats to JKRowling) and physically. There was a Let Women Speak rally in Brighton a couple of weeks ago. The women who wished to speak for their rights were drowned out by men shouting about their right to invade women's spaces. Wake up, do.

I feel 'trans' is now in the same ball park as 'small boats' - hysteria around something that affects less than 1% of the country.

I know 1 trans person as work. She has given diversity training which was incredibly helpful and enlightening.

The most dangerous group to women are cis men.
Personally I feel inequality, poverty, NHS, education, violence against women & girls usurp this fringe issue.

There is literally no money for any of the things you seek. None. None of that is going to change. And remember it was Labour who brought in both uni fees and ATOS assessments for the disabled.

The only changes Labour can make are the free ones. Pushing hugely divisive and destructive ‘culture war’ shit from race essentialism to gender ideology.

I voted Labour not because I don't know or care about any of this, but because the conservatives have trashed our society and the public infrastructure and the country is in a desperate state after 14 years of conservative nonsense.

As someone else has pointed out, true TRAs see Starmer's labour party as transphobic which I think is an indication of gender critical points of view being less unsayable than they used to be. There are legal frameworks around this which, of course, matter, but I think how this all plays out in real life has got a lot to do with the situation in mainstream society and I am happy to say that attitudes are not as nuts as they were a few years ago - thanks to sustained and determined activism - in which mumsnet played a huge part.

My kids go to a secondary school which has quietly dropped Stonewall logos from its website. Its safeguarding policies are - and I suspect always have been, stonewall association notwithstanding (though its stonewall days predate my kids' attendance at this school so I don't know) single sex for PE and anything requiring residential stays. I asked about this and the response I got was very common sense. In many places, no matter what it is trendy to virtue signal about, real life people never really caught up with what what they were "supposed" to be doing in favour of the TRA agenda (because parts of it were blatantly nuts) and I think now never will, thank goodness.