Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

[Heylo]

i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

💯 this.

It’s worrying, I did almost vote for Labour however as there wasn’t a good option to choose. Went independent in the end as I like the MP.
I can see the next four years being quite shocking in many ways and as a consequence Reform or a more far-right Conservative party getting in next time. That’s my prediction.

Who is the “they” you are talking about? I agree with you that TRA’s are hurting the lesbian community but that is not Labour policy. As has been said on here over and over again, there is more to women’s rights than this. The Conservative Party were not pro-women. They did not introduce policies that helped single parents, they did not introduce policies that promoted women. They just didn’t. We need support with education, with housing, with health. These are the ideas I voted for. I agree with you that lesbians have been horribly marginalised but I believe that is the fault of a certain demographic, not a political party.

That is my worry too

It will be interesting se how Labour deals with the doctor's demand for a 35% pay rise or else they'll continue to strike.

I am not keen on the left's view of single sex spaces.

But the women who voted for Reform are even sillier. Reform want us back in the kitchen, looking after our kids and menfolk while the men go out to work (with no employment rights).

I'll take the chance of possibly meeting a male bodied person in a loo over that.

I came across this yesterday whilst still deciding on who I was going to vote for:
Labour Women's Declaration (labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk)

I have never heard of this before. Has anyone else? Do they have 'teeth' and to be able to be heard within the Labour party to ensure women's safe spaces aren't eradicated?

Awful post.

You can support trans rights but not want to have sex with a biological male. The two are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately in a world of TWAW this seems to have become somehow wrong or a sign of bigotry. But interestingly there is very little vitriol targeted towards the straight men that aren’t interested in having sex with trans women. It’s always women that expected to put up and shut up.

This.

I agree with you. This is why I voted Labour.

Excuse me, disagree with me if you want but saying these things will never happen?

Lesbian same sex nights shut down by TRAs https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401009/amp/Lesbian-speed-dating-event-sparks-transphobia-row-organisers-insist-adult-human-females-attend-popular-weekly-event.html

men in women’s prisons - ending in sexual assault of women https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

and surgeries on children - do you need evidence for that?

where have you been the last five years ?

To quote a sub-header in the Independent (not a "right wing" paper) dated 26 June
"As junior doctors prepare to start another five-day strike on Thursday, Keir Starmer has used his strongest language yet to warn Labour will not meet their pay demands"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-junior-doctors-strike-nhs-pay-rise-b2569040.html

If this issue was solely about toilets we'd barely be talking about it. Not that any of these men should be in the women's and girls' toilets but the problem is much more widespread than that.

Given that in our society we have such a variety of female-only single-sex spaces, does it not concern you that there are males who just completely disregard our boundaries and impose themselves anyway, in all these spaces? Completely ignoring the lack of consent. It's a rapist mindset.

You're a lesbian and you don't support trans rights? There's a T in LGBT you know

So you support homosexual women being compelled to 'learn to cope' with unwanted straight sex for men rather than challenge their identities, or be excluded/threatened? You're in agreement with the label the head of Stonewall applied to homosexuals of 'Sexual racists'? Do you tolerate homosexuality or do you agree with the T that it's wrong and unacceptable these days?

And to those all 'I'm fine with males with gender identities in my spaces', the age old question, what are you going to do with the women excluded from any spaces so that these men can own all of them? Are you fine with the exclusion of many vulnerable women from society (disabled, those of minority faiths, cultures, CSA and DV survivors etc) in order to give men more freedom of choice, self expression and happiness? What's your solution?

This one million percent. It's so painfully obvious to all but the handful of you who talk to each other in circles in these threads.

I have a baby daughter and I am terrified of her growing up with this Labour government with its current ideologies.

Tbh, one of the advantages of Labour being a shambolic mess when it comes to detailed policies in the run up to the election is that I wouldn't necessarily say there is a unified party line on gender ideology any more.

Starmer's apparent u-turn over the past week and the lack of clarity on what will and won't be sought on women's rights/sex education under Labour reassures me that Starmer likely realises that Labour has some serious catching up to do when it comes to gender identity ideology and how it impacts women and girls.

I'm also interested to see how their manifesto pledge of a trans-inclusive conversion therapy bill works out when the penny drops for them as to why this wasn't an easy win for inclusivity under the Tories - especially in light of the Cass review (and especially now Cass will actually be in the HoL to comment on any batshittery).

Well, as I am looking at most likely 6 hours in A&E to get an x ray for DS later today, frankly, much as i worry about the trans thing, there's no sign that the conservatives have ever done anything for me as a woman. Because it IS the women who are with the children at the doctor or A&E etc.

And the same son can't get ADHD diagnosis or meds on the NHS so that certainly hasn't helped me - because again, it's women who are dealing with this. Similarly, his school has a SEND staff of 2 for 1500 children. Again, guess who deals with the fall out of that?

I don't need childcare anymore but I know plenty of people who struggle to go back to work because childcare options are limited and/or crazy expensive. Again, it's women who are bearing the brunt of this.

Social care is falling apart, with adult social care a disaster... guess who bears the brunt of that too?

This is precisely what I am planning to do. I wrote to my MP (who is in a very very safe Labour seat) about this issue before the election was called, and received a response that I saw as waffly but that sex-matters.org saw as reasonably good.

Having voted Labour, I now intend to write her again and point out that with more power, comes more responsibility, and ask her to use her platform and power to nudge her party in the right direction on this issue.

In my letter, I will cite Rosie Duffield as a Labour MP whose positions on this issue would merit attention and study and hopefully adherence,

I will also remind her of what has happened in the USA - where the incorporation of extreme positions on Trans Privileges (I refuse to call it a “right” for a person with a penis to watch naked women in their changing room) is one of the issues that has caused support for the Democrats to rot away.

Whether there is any hope in this approach, I do not know. But for the time being, it is the only available set of actions.

I didn't know anyone excited to vote for them, but they've got a huge majority, they can push through absolutely anything they want.

Otnot “They can decide to go full SNP-style trans policy or more and there's no political way to stop them. ” yeah, look where that took them.

There is caution about SelfID now that many detrans are filing court cases and there is more evidence of the dangers the affirmation ‘path’ hides for individuals. Big holes in the ideology.

it will be work as usual, women will keep pushing for what is fair, that no other groups infringe in ours and children’s rights.

Besides, there are more important issues to solve, right?

Yes, Labour has continually refused the Labour Women's Declaration at stall at conference. These are committed Labour women who had pinned their hopes on influencing Labour from within...so far without any luck.

I am not sure you are right. Besides, Starmer wants to take the Mace to the constitution. It could be much worse than we think.
Why do you say 'cis' men? There is only one sort of man - the human sex which produces small gametes.

Terrified ? I work with 5 year olds - this doesn’t happen. You might be pleasantly surprised if you looked at the curriculum. Don’t fall for the hysterical headlines. Your beautiful little one will be fine.

@Heylo I would absolutely have voted LibDem if I thought they stood a chance of forming a government. The Green Party in my area would be a wasted vote.

I couldn’t bring myself to vote Conservative, I haven’t forgiven them for instigating Brexit. Boris Johnson’s appalling time as PM soured me on them even further, Liz Truss, Rishi Sunak were differently awful. Obviously many other issues around them too.

I did vote Labour, knowing that Keir Starmer hasn’t stood up to the trans lobby, I believe if the Tories got another five years they would see it as a mandate to squash the population even further.

My eldest son is gay but will not hear me when I try to talk to him about trans activists and the issues for women and lesbians. I keep plugging away. I hate this sense that, because they’ve been on this big traumatic journey, trans women are a more real version of a woman than a biological woman and we should move over and let them run the show.

There is potential harm to confused children who need support while they work out who and what they are, they should not be rushed into a massively life changing situation. I have a friend with a child who is F to M and is hugely happier for living in their chosen gender, I don’t doubt gender dysphoria exists and has been with us for a long time.

Okay, please explain how these men are women, without reference to sexist stereotypes.