Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Can you explain how you handle this with your class of 5 year olds?

Like, how many trans people do you actually know?? None, I bet.

This is an interesting question actually. Until 3 years ago I had never known anyone who referred to themselves as trans. But suddenly within the last 3 years I know 3 they/thems and a she/her. 2 are male and 2 are female. 2 are teenagers and 2 are mid-life crisis age group.

We all now know people who pretend they are the opposite sex or neither male or female. It’s no longer a rarity. It’s a social phenomenon that is massively on the rise and the more men who pretend to be women the more who will take the opportunity to make use of women’s spaces / services and the more chance we will have of finding abusive men in the ladies because with men and abuse it’s a numbers game.

I agree with @JT69 about not falling for the Daily Mail style hysteria. I have five children of various ages and they've not been "subjected" to any "ideologies" at all. There's a lot of propaganda.

Rather this is a meeting place for those women who were denied the right to meet and discuss elsewhere...when Labour was still saying " No Debate" and women were losing their jobs, and being arrested, or being abused for speaking out.

Mumsnet has been a very important resource for all of us...without which all that has been so far achieved might well not have.

How come Munro bergdorf and high profile trans people is saying Starmer is the devil and he's going to eradicate trans rights ?

And GC women are quoting him as saying the opposite ?
This really is starting to feel like a culture war.

Completely agree with you. Just solidified our decision to remove our children from the schooling system by the time they reach secondary age. It's going that way in primary too, slowly but surely (I'm a primary teacher). Call me pessimistic but I'm failing to see how anything will improve under a new Labour government.

Since there's been sufficient evidence on what's happening in schools that guidance was being re written by government prior to the election, this is a bit like telling users of food banks that you've never known what it's like to be able to buy food, so it obviously doesn't happen, food banks aren't needed and they shouldn't fall for the hype.

As a female, I am very worried about some of Labour trans ideology. However, I was very worried about, schools, health and poverty under a Conservative government. Just not sure what the next 5 years will bring, but surely it can’t be much worse.

Oh do be quiet Op. Constantly banging on about this issue is getting boring. 🥱 we will see now if any of this constant doom- mongering will actually come to pass!

Please stop treating women in the U.K. like they're all idiots, OP. You're not coming across as pro-woman as you seem to think.

I think this is probably the main feeling of many voters.

Trans should never have been aligned with LGB as it’s got nothing to do with sexual orientation.

The only genuine T people I know who have had surgery have clearly suffered with mental health problems for many years and it’s a crying shame that mental health services have been cut so drastically under the Tories as otherwise, they might have got some decent support before unnecessarily chopping bits of their body off.

I’m not overly worried about Labour further erasing women’s rights in the longer term because the pendulum is beginning to swing back and people are slowly realising that self ID is not the solution. I think seeing adult men cheating winning women’s sporting events has made a lot of people stop and think about what can be considered a fair competition.

However, I do agree with writing to all the new Labour MP’s and bombarding them with evidence of why Self ID harms women and girls in particular.

I think that issues over annual 300bn military aid pledged, national service and the handling of international relations so as to avoid ww3 is far more of an issue than most of the issues raised on this thread.

How patronising!

i'm an ex teacher, with a daughter currently teaching and I can tell you trans ideology is in most schools. Maybe your daughter's school has yet to change to mixed sex toilets, and maybe non of your children's friends have yet declared trans identities...but many others have. Lots of schools with activist teachers.

I both know and care about this as an issue, but it is far from the only important issue, so I was never going to vote based just on this. I am hopeful that with all the recent rulings, and JKR on the case things will not be as bad as some fear.

It's not about that and you know it. Please don't play ignorant to the issues women are facing at the hands of extremists.. someone is not an extremist because they are trans. There's no issue with someone want to transition to another gender. The problem is someone's character who's views are so extreme they can't listen and compromise. Ppl are extreme in their characters not their gender or religion or race... we are all given a brain. We should start using it.

I’m worried about this too, so I will continue to write emails, complain about media coverage when necessary, join groups supporting women’s rights and fund legal cases.

It’s also patronising to say women who voted labour must not care or be educated about women’s rights.

these arguments just go round and round in circles because everyone just name calls and snarks and attacks.

@Signalbox so that's one trans person not 3.

We don't 'all know' people who Id as yhe opposite sex - I live in the most LGBTQ friendly city in the uk and I don't actually know any trans people personally. Or any nb people. Just lots of gay men and women. And I have a very wide circle and I'm very sociable.

It’s largely Covid that has run the country into the ground. Sadly, we don’t have a crystal ball
to see where we’d have been under the Tories without that. We also have no way of knowing that Labour would have managed Covid any better. I am soooooo relieved this morning got wake up and see that the whitewash wasn’t as overwhelming as it might have been. Am I concerned for women, especially my daughters? You bet, massively, but I am also fearful of the tax rises that will inevitably come our way as they pour money into the bottomless pits known as state education and the NHS. They both need a complete overhaul and radical reform not simply more money. We can already see that that didn’t work.

No one knows more trans people than GC people. Considering they're only 0.5% of the population, every GC mumsnetter knows multiple of them and their children's schools are swarmed with them. How odd.

This appears to be the case in England. The % of the vote for Labour has not gone up, the % for Conservatives has gone down because Reform (who are rightwing nutjobs IMHO) have taken their votes. Immigration - not just 'the boats' - has become a big issue because (whether you like it or not, and I do not like it) it is a question of culture. The de-colonizing lobby has a lot to answer for.

Actually I think there is nothing ridiculous about the OP’s post. I think all of the numbered points are partway towards enactment, and that will accelerate now with Labour in power, unless something changes in Labour’s approach on this issue.

Because trans activists see any tiny sign of non compliance as 'transphobia'. Kier Starmer is hated by many on the Left and always has been. Besides, In Labour strongholds, even those with continued wins, many have lost their big % share of the vote - as people, including trans activists, such as Owen Jones and Bergdorf have either voted Green, or else for Socialist independents.

Culture is important. It is what forms the bedrock of shared values of a society - without which there is instability and polarisation. This is not a trivial matter.

Because Starmer and some
of his senior team have deliberately used unclear language that means no group knows what some of the most senior labour team will support.

Starmer then conceded, only a few days ago, that no male person (even with a GRC) should be using female single sex spaces. This then has caused a backlash from extreme trans rights activists.

Please note: I use extreme trans rights activists to refer to those who wish to prioritise gender identity at all times, even when a person’s sex matters.