KJK supports Trump

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After the Trump verdict today, KJK retweeted three supportive tweets to her timeline, including one from US ex-Fox host Megyn Kelly that says "Guilty on all counts. The country is disgraced. Alvin Bragg should be disbarred. They will rue the day they released this lawfare to corrupt a presidential election."

Another tweet makes fun of President Biden's stutter.

This is someone currently up for election herself. Given her recent remarks about barring rentals to all trans people, and the fact she has received funding from US conservative political groups, does this concern you?

Do you think it is right to blanket label parents who have trans identified children "abusers"?
Do you think it's right to say them supporting their child's "transition" in any form is "profound abuse"?

You seem to be ignoring that part of what I wrote.

I have an actual problem with this line:
"And "transitioning" children is abuse" (to be accurate, KJK says "profound abuse".)

I don't think we should be calling parents doing their best in difficult circumstances "abusers".

Hard agree. Medical professionals pushing this are one thing. Parents who are trying to negotiate a difficult landscape - often while being influenced by aforementioned professionals - are something else entirely.

It would only be cult like if they weren’t true things being said - just repeating articles of faith, but they are factual.

Its a little bit cheesy and a way of being an MC at an event.

No one thought Bruce Forsyth was a cult leader when he’d say “Nice to see you……?”

Are parents who promote transition to kids abusers? Yes they are - munchausen's by proxy is a thing as is wanting to be a fucking glitter parent with the special sparkly child.

Parents who are dealing with the fallout from this ideology then no but they are trying to cope rather than pushing the ideology.

Yes, that's why I post on here about her! I find her appeal fascinating (in a populist, Trumpian way) but can't discuss irl as noone knows who she is!

A cult mantra?

"No woman has a penis" - biological fact.

"No man has a vagina" - biological fact.

"There is no such thing as "non-binary"" - if you believe there is, what is it?

I have an actual problem with this line:
"And "transitioning" children is abuse" (to be accurate, KJK says "profound abuse".)

I copied the quotes from the PoW website. The word 'profound' is not there.

https://www.partyofwomen.org/about-us

Transitioning children is what Susie Green did to her child. Taking a 15-year-old boy to a foreign country for castration on his 16th birthday is abuse. How would you describe what she did?

I think they might have if he created a political party where the only criteria for joining was to repeat 4 of his catchphrases as a life "truth" and spend time getting others to buy into those catchphrases too.

Bit of a weird thought tho. "Nice to see you, to see you...." is not at all like "transitioning children is profound abuse"

The line is "And "transitioning" children is abuse". I mean it's vague enough for some plausible deniability I guess, but it seems to cover any parent whose response to a child getting wrapped up in this isn't to lock them in their bedroom or throw them out.

I thought she was a communicator. Couldn't she have included 'promoting'.

Parents who are dealing with the fallout from this ideology then no but they are trying to cope rather than pushing the ideology.

Yes. Which is why KJKs blanket statements are damaging. Both types of parents get told this is "profound abuse"

I think there are many many more parents in the second group than the first

‘Transitioning children’ to me sounds like an active process upon a passive object.

If a child ‘transitions’ themselves and the parents are helplessly being dragged along with it or face estrangement, it isn’t really covered by the act of “transitioning children” is it?

There's a difference between just being the parent of a child who identifies as 'trans' (such as a teenage girl caught up in this due to social contagion) and a parent like Susie Green who takes an active part in transitioning their child and helping to convince them that they can actually change sex.

"There is no such thing as "non-binary"" - if you believe there is, what is it?
I don't believe there is. I also don't believe there is a God. My non-belief doesn't mean people who do believe are wrong.

If most people know that men can't become women why do so many politicians, in all parties, think that chanting the mantra TWAW is a vote winner?

It just makes them sound unhinged to the majority of the population who know that people can't change sex.

If he wants to hold on to his job he also needs to corral the half of the party and his possible leadership rivals who believe a man can't be a woman. The non-pology/word salad is an attempt to hose down the rebellion in his own party. If you are called "Dan Andrews Lite" you probably are on the road to nowhere. Lawsuit brought by Moira Deeming is still active.

Ah, ok, so when KJK says "transitioning children is abuse" she doesn't mean in all circumstances and people should know that.

What about when she says "no man has a vagina"? Is that also circumstantial?

This basically comes across as KJK fans trying to distance themselves from her position because they know its unreasonable.

Like “TWAW”, “TMAM”, “non-binary is valid”, “trans right are human rights” you mean?

Weasel words 'promoting'. Kellie-Jay speaks very clearly and plainly; transition is making your poor child believe s/he can change sex, which can lead to surgical mutilation and a lifetime of illness, incontinence and pain brought on by experimental surgery (vaginoplasty /phalloplasty) and experimental use of drugs ( cross-sex hormones)

It is always wrong
I love and respect Kellie-Jay for being so clear and plain-spoken!

That's an interesting question? Do you think that if someone who believes that transitioning children is abuse sees a 'transchild' with a parent, they take the time to find out the background of that family, or do they just mentally note 'abuser'?

Well yes. I could be wrong, but I believe that may have been the point.

Can children transition themselves? I don't think they have the mental maturity to do that personally?

If a teacher recognises a students preferred pronouns, and the student hasn't told their parents, is the teacher "transitioning" the child and therefore an abuser/a safeguarding issue? Or is the teacher recognising a child that's transitioned themselves?

It isn’t ‘the only criteria for joining’ though is it? It is a statement of what people must agree with in order to know they are in agreement with the organisation itself, but no one has to ‘repeat’ the words, do they?

I think her first catchphrase was the more Brucie-like “I never lose” which people joined in with. Later on she started to begin her own introduction with ‘No woman has a penis….’ and people naturally joined in after hearing her do it regularly.

We don’t need KJK to speak for us.
There are plenty of political candidates that support women’s rights to sex segregated spaces and services that also support race equality, religious diversity, and are committed to not sacrificing other women’s rights in misguided deals with far right misogynist extremists like Trump, or Soldiers of Christ, or Tommy Robinson and others.

Yes, exactly.
I think KJK and her followers are the GC equivalent of TRAs and I am not a fan of those kind of tactics. I find it very weird to see GC people use them when we know how it feels to be on the receiving end.

Exactly.
Or even call them an abuser out loud

That feeling when your post about KJK being a Korean dictator's cousin doesn't even make the Top Twenty Batshit Accusations on the thread.

I will redouble my efforts!