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KJK supports Trump

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NefertitiV · 31/05/2024 02:36

After the Trump verdict today, KJK retweeted three supportive tweets to her timeline, including one from US ex-Fox host Megyn Kelly that says "Guilty on all counts. The country is disgraced. Alvin Bragg should be disbarred. They will rue the day they released this lawfare to corrupt a presidential election."

Another tweet makes fun of President Biden's stutter.

This is someone currently up for election herself. Given her recent remarks about barring rentals to all trans people, and the fact she has received funding from US conservative political groups, does this concern you?

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OldCrone · 31/05/2024 10:04

NefertitiV · 31/05/2024 09:33

@monkeyspaw

"Do you agree with her that men, no matter how they identify should not be allowed in women's prisons, refugees, showers,changing rooms, sports etc.?"

You say agree with this, but how do you define a woman? If you are a true believer then trans identified men ARE women, so they aren't men, so they SHOULD have access to women's spaces.

Please answer clearly, do you think trans identified men (transwomen) are women, so they should have access to women's spaces?

For clarity, then, I don't think TWAW are women, nor that they should have access to women's spaces.

Do you agree with these statements?

No woman has a penis
No man has a vagina
There is no such thing as "non-binary"
And "transitioning" children is abuse

DialSquare · 31/05/2024 10:04

So what do you want from this thread? As someone says upthread, it's like the playground. Do you want us all to hate her as much as you do?

NefertitiV · 31/05/2024 10:06

DialSquare · 31/05/2024 10:04

So what do you want from this thread? As someone says upthread, it's like the playground. Do you want us all to hate her as much as you do?

I don't hate her. That's silly. I don't even know her.

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Brefugee · 31/05/2024 10:06

tbh given she has been accused of being a nazi due to some chaps who turned up at a LWS event (in Australia?) it seems to be a bit of an own-goal if she then RTs Trump who is very right wing.

OTOH - i don't know if KJK is very right wing, or if she ever refuted the nazi slurs because the only things i have heard her say up until very recently were purely based on TW are not W and that woman is an adult human female type things. The recent thing about allowing people to discriminate against trans people for house rental went too far for me. I can imagine it was ok with other people. Horses for courses.

I don't generally vote for single issue candidates though so even if PoW stood where i vote, i'd probably discount them anyway unless they had really good policies on the NHS, public transport, pensions and the water companies.

CassieMaddox · 31/05/2024 10:07

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2024 08:40

Well, she hosts open calls every week which none of these people ever use to go and talk to her.

They just post here where they know she can't, having a go at her.

That's what bullies do.

I don't agree with everything she does or says but when you dig down there is usually more to her point under the surface.

My suggestion would be to call into her on a Tuesday night and talk to her. Rather than bully from behind an effective block. They never do. They wouldn't stand a chance. And they know it.

She can't post here because of her own behaviour.
I for one don't want to give her material to use for clicks on her YT. She's all about outrage.
I don't think you can say posters talking about her on here are "bullying her". Unless you also think we bully L'OJ, Lisa Nandy, Ash Sarkar, Daniel Radcliffe etc.

DialSquare · 31/05/2024 10:08

I just thanked your last post OP because it genuinely made me laugh.

AgileLurker · 31/05/2024 10:09

Sloejelly · 31/05/2024 10:02

Not really, I don’t follow her and can’t imagine stuff like “banning rentals to trans people” would be acceptable to the vast majority of people.

The vast majority of people have not suffered the endless stream of vitriol, censorship, threats and violence that she has suffered from this ‘community’. If they had they would probably agree with her.

People do love to misquote though.

”If I was a landlord, I wouldn’t want to rent to” (a personal feelings comment).

becomes

”Ban all rentals to trans [identified] people” (an impersonal blanket declaration of considered party policy).

Sloejelly · 31/05/2024 10:13

She can't post here because of her own behaviour.

The behaviour in question would be calling a man a man, many many posters have been banned over the years for correctly identifying men.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/05/2024 10:17

She isn't the only political figure that interests me

see this would probably be interesting

i read a lot of of the politics threads and enjoy having a bit of background knowledge from a wealth of information linked to in the threads to discuss with friends and family

i can’t discuss KJK cos no offence I don’t know anyone else who even knows her name ..though they might if all this gets in the newspaper

CassieMaddox · 31/05/2024 10:20

OldCrone · 31/05/2024 10:04

Do you agree with these statements?

No woman has a penis
No man has a vagina
There is no such thing as "non-binary"
And "transitioning" children is abuse

It comes across a bit like a cult mantra to me to be honest. That impression is amplified by the fact she doesn't care who is in her party as long as they are willing to follow the "4 commandments". It's culture.

I think saying "there is no such thing as non binary" is like saying "there is no such thing as God" and is a bit reductive.

I have an actual problem with this line:
"And "transitioning" children is abuse" (to be accurate, KJK says "profound abuse".)

I don't think we should be calling parents doing their best in difficult circumstances "abusers".

The other day I came across what appeared to be a young teenage girl (had a bust) and her dad. This child was very scared of my dog and clearly had some special needs. As I got my dog on the lead to go past them the dad said "sorry about this, he has had bad experiences with dogs"

Do I think that father is committing "profound abuse"? No I don't. In fact I think its extremely unhelpful to blanket label people like that when you have no idea of their circumstances and what they are trying to do.

CassieMaddox · 31/05/2024 10:23

Sloejelly · 31/05/2024 10:09

if she ever refuted the nazi slurs

Other than by taking Australian politicians to court and them having to apologise and come to a settlement with her you mean?

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-liberal-leader-john-pesutto-settles-two-defamation-cases-20240516-p5jeao.html

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Ha!
I wouldn't call what pesutto said "an apology". He says she settled with him!
I think the ££ were racking up, and she knew she probably wouldn't win so they managed to agree a form of words that allowed her to slightly save face.

Scavernick · 31/05/2024 10:23

CassieMaddox · 31/05/2024 10:20

It comes across a bit like a cult mantra to me to be honest. That impression is amplified by the fact she doesn't care who is in her party as long as they are willing to follow the "4 commandments". It's culture.

I think saying "there is no such thing as non binary" is like saying "there is no such thing as God" and is a bit reductive.

I have an actual problem with this line:
"And "transitioning" children is abuse" (to be accurate, KJK says "profound abuse".)

I don't think we should be calling parents doing their best in difficult circumstances "abusers".

The other day I came across what appeared to be a young teenage girl (had a bust) and her dad. This child was very scared of my dog and clearly had some special needs. As I got my dog on the lead to go past them the dad said "sorry about this, he has had bad experiences with dogs"

Do I think that father is committing "profound abuse"? No I don't. In fact I think its extremely unhelpful to blanket label people like that when you have no idea of their circumstances and what they are trying to do.

Very long way to say you don't disagree with the points raised. How is it a 'cult mantra' to be able to name male and female body parts? Or to know that there is no-one on the planet who is neither male nor female? 😂

Scavernick · 31/05/2024 10:23

CassieMaddox · 31/05/2024 10:23

Ha!
I wouldn't call what pesutto said "an apology". He says she settled with him!
I think the ££ were racking up, and she knew she probably wouldn't win so they managed to agree a form of words that allowed her to slightly save face.

Well that's your take on it anyway.

CassieMaddox · 31/05/2024 10:25

Here's his statement:
https://www.johnpesutto.com.au/media-releases/2024-05-17-statement-from-the-leader-of-the-opposition

A Liberal Party I lead will never tolerate hateful and divisive rhetoric, nor abide by Neo-Nazism, white supremacy or other extremist ideologies.
I also believe that all public figures have a responsibility to denounce such extremism in all its forms. I do not believe that it is appropriate to knowingly associate or share platforms with individuals who hold or express these extremist views. I also believe that there is no room to be blithe or cavalier in the face of Neo-Nazism.
I have never believed or intended to assert that Kellie-Jay Keen and Angela Jones are Neo-Nazis. It is also now clear from public statements made by Ms Keen and Ms Jones that they share my belief that Nazism is odious and contemptible.
It has never been my intention to convey that I believed Ms Keen and Ms Jones to be Neo-Nazis, or that they were members of Neo-Nazi groups. As far as my comments may have been misunderstood as conveying that I believed this to be the case, I apologise for any hurt, distress or harm that has occurred.

https://www.johnpesutto.com.au/media-releases/2024-05-17-statement-from-the-leader-of-the-opposition

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/05/2024 10:25

Scavernick · 31/05/2024 10:23

Well that's your take on it anyway.

Surely if he was in the right it doesnt matter how many £ she was racking up he still wouldn’t apologise

that makes no sense to me

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/05/2024 10:26

Sorry that was meant to quote cassie

Brefugee · 31/05/2024 10:26

Sloejelly · 31/05/2024 10:09

if she ever refuted the nazi slurs

Other than by taking Australian politicians to court and them having to apologise and come to a settlement with her you mean?

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-liberal-leader-john-pesutto-settles-two-defamation-cases-20240516-p5jeao.html

Edited

i only asked because i literally don't follow her or anything she posts. I don't tend to watch videos posted by anyone because i CBA.

Thanks for the link though. It just sounds as though she some things that i don't agree with and one, maybe two that i do.

CassieMaddox · 31/05/2024 10:29

Scavernick · 31/05/2024 10:23

Very long way to say you don't disagree with the points raised. How is it a 'cult mantra' to be able to name male and female body parts? Or to know that there is no-one on the planet who is neither male nor female? 😂

It's a cult approach to pick 4 over simplistic statements and get your followers to chant them like a mantra.

It's also a bit #nodebate.

Scavernick · 31/05/2024 10:29

We are talking about biological facts! Can you even HEAR yourself?

Brooks11 · 31/05/2024 10:30

I don't understand how someone who's whole thing is to protect women and girls can be even slightly supportive of Trump. He's a rapist. I don't understand her politics at all.

I agree with her on the no men in prisons and so on but so what really? Most people know men can't become women.

BezMills · 31/05/2024 10:30

I think that it would be possible to measure how much time KJK spends worrying about mumsnet threads, but it would require access to a university physics lab and probably some kind of LASER apparatus.
My informal estimate is zero, after rounding.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/05/2024 10:31

Scavernick · 31/05/2024 10:29

We are talking about biological facts! Can you even HEAR yourself?

We are chanting about biological facts….apparently

CassieMaddox · 31/05/2024 10:31

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/05/2024 10:25

Surely if he was in the right it doesnt matter how many £ she was racking up he still wouldn’t apologise

that makes no sense to me

He's also racking up £££ so has a motivation to settle - especially if he can just say it was a misunderstanding (as he did) rather than have to fully retract what he said.
I dunno, if he'd lost I'd expect a more unequivocal apology.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 31/05/2024 10:32

cassie

gotcha, thanks

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