KJK supports Trump

[NefertitiV]

After the Trump verdict today, KJK retweeted three supportive tweets to her timeline, including one from US ex-Fox host Megyn Kelly that says "Guilty on all counts. The country is disgraced. Alvin Bragg should be disbarred. They will rue the day they released this lawfare to corrupt a presidential election."

Another tweet makes fun of President Biden's stutter.

This is someone currently up for election herself. Given her recent remarks about barring rentals to all trans people, and the fact she has received funding from US conservative political groups, does this concern you?

Women who spend time pushing for single sex spaces

Some pp are more invested in diminishing them than helping achieve single sex spaces

All these threads and posts

@NefertitiV the ‘thanks’ are strange as you get one email a day (I think?) with the names for ‘thanks’ to all posts you’ve made. Let’s say 12 for this thread and 3 for another. If you made more than one comment on a thread then you don’t know which it refers to, and I don’t say anything too profound or funny to be worth my going back into the thread to see. Or maybe it works differently and I don’t get it.

I’ve seen criticism on these boards of variously Labour Women’s Declaration, FiLia and WPUK amongst others. They are pushing for single-sex spaces. Are they being diminished? Do you pull people up about that? Or are only some people and organisations above criticism?

In relation to KJK, most posters have been quick to acknowledge what they do like or admire about her, her work and achievements. Whether you like it or not, there are significant numbers of GC women who believe that KJK’s tendency to ‘tell it like it is’ damages the reputation of all GC women. Making it easier to write them off as far right or transphobic or whatever. You don’t have to agree, but people are quite entitled to express that opinion.

Whether you like it or not, there are significant numbers of GC women who believe that KJK’s tendency to ‘tell it like it is’ damages the reputation of all GC women.

It’s not about liking it or not I just don’t think you are correct. You are overemphasising KJK. If you didn’t watch her videos or follow so closely you’d likely bump that down a bit.

I don’t follow her and she just doesn’t feature to that extent.

Yes, you're right, but I think you can deselect notifications- I must have done that. I'll check - thank you

I don’t follow her and I don’t routinely watch her videos. Occasionally something she says or does enters my periphery and I might look at it further and I might comment on it. That’s it.

That's precisely what I intended. Everyone does have a personal bias, and that's what I wanted to bring out without first prejudicing it with my own.

I explained how you biased your OP a few pages back. You asked if people are “concerned” by KJK’s actions. This implies you think her actions are negative. You wouldn’t have used “concerned” if she had done something positive, would you?

”KJK rescued a litter of puppies from a burning building. Does this concern you?”

That makes no sense. So clearly you think what she has done is negative and your OP is asking if other people think so too, and/or are concerned by it. So as I said a few pages ago, the replies you have received have been led by the negative connotation you believe.

As I said, it seems you’re actually interested in the intersection of sociology, politics and feminism with people you don’t like. I have no issue with this, and I think your OP is perfectly fine, as long as you don’t then claim you’re only trying to garner opinions out of neutral academic interest.

I agree. To the occasional reader the preference for one side of the political spectrum on here is quite noticeable and bizarre.

Can you clarify which side because this board is pretty much evenly split between 'I'm left and the left left me behind but I'm damned if I'm going to vote for the Tories' and 'I'm a Tory' and 'I'm a centrist'.

If you are going to make a statement, make the fucking statement.

From my perspective the board is clearly right wing, despite many posters claiming to be previous Labour voters. Similar to KJK herself.

It's not even "I'm a tory" or "I'm centre left but voting tory". It's firmly right wing, more along the lines of reform or Braverman version of Tory than One Nation Tory.

@NotBadConsidering

As I said, it seems you’re actually interested in the intersection of sociology, politics and feminism with people you don’t like. I have no issue with this, and I think your OP is perfectly fine, as long as you don’t then claim you’re only trying to garner opinions out of neutral academic interest

Between you and @AstonScrapingsNameChange, I can't win - so I'm not going to worry about trying.

So all the leftie people who are disappointed that Labour want to keep on putting rapists in womens prisons are now all right wing? Just like that?

Clearly not what I said but feel free to strawman away

I'm very curious about what you think makes someone left or right wing?

Because I would have said it's mainly about economic models. And we don't get much sense of that on FWR, what people think about economics.

I suspect in general it features less heavily these days in voting mind you. In part because there really is not much difference between the Tories and Labour on economics.

But also, some of their policy approaches have shifted somewhat. You tend to see left parties much more embracing things like free trade and movement of labour, which benefit the professional classes, while protection of industry etc is more on the right which will appeal to wc people. So they have really swapped to some degree.

So that may account for some of the shifts we are seeing in voting patterns. A person could have the exact same views on economics they did 50 years ago, but the parties would be treating those issues quite differently. To be left these days is to support very middle class economic approaches.

And I'd add, that swap is much more evident in American politics.

@TempestTost: I think you've hit the nail on the head. The division now between Left and Right is now largely - though not entirely- based on levels of education with those university educated leaning more to the left.

Give us your evidence then.

What is it about the relentless 'I'm a lifelong labour supporter who is politically HOMELESS' posting on here that makes you think these people are all lying and right wingers?

I can't see any 'I'm a lifelong Right Winger and I am politically HOMELESS' threads.

If you are going to tar all the lefties with 'you are lying right wingers' instead of thinking 'hang on, sterilising kids and putting rapists in prisons is not good so I understand your hesitancy about electing a party that has championed that for the past decade' then what you will find, is people thinking 'fuck it, I may as well vote Tory'.

It’s baseless

This is why I think it's more personal than anything else.

Rubbing almost everyone up the wrong way isn't generally considered politically persuasive.

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someone has already covered the economic aspects, but from a social perspective, left wing politics generally focus on the whole rather than the individual, and right wing on the individual rather than the whole.

So being concerned about the well being of a cohort of young people who are distressed about their sexed bodies as they negotiate puberty, or groups of women who need access to female single sex facilities (“The whole”) as opposed to the rights of certain adult male transitioners insisting on access to female single sex facilities (“individuals“), puts this board firmly on the left.

There's an American equivalent of course. I've nearly always voted for Democrats. I have voted for a Republican or two because I live in New England and our Republicans tended to be saner. I'm struggling just as much as you all.

Gosh. Calm down. Someone made a comment about the board e.g. the majority political outlook of the posters here. I replied. A comment about the tendency of the board says nothing about the posting of specific individuals. It certainly doesn't mean I think everyone claiming to be left wing is lying. That would be a very black and white view.

I'll use KJK as an example - her current politics (pro-Trump, pro-IDF, repeal the GRA, there is no such thing as trans and transition is abuse) is consistent with right wing politics and inconsistent with someone who says they are left wing.

I think she's switched over the years and is cross "the Left" hasn't switched with her.

I think there are lots of posters here in that position and they would be better owning the fact they are now right wing than complaining about being "politically homeless".

KJK isn't on the board.

Hasn't been for years.

Because she questioned a Labour MP.

And this makes zero sense. The Tories put rapists in womens prisons, not Labour. It's an incomprehensible approach to go "Labour aren't saying they will not do this thing I want stopped, so I'll vote Conservative because they are doing the thing I want stopped".

If some voters want to rebel against "the Elite" by voting Conservative knowing it will harm the UK because they "don't like being told what to do" then that's up to them. But in the same way I wouldn't reward my toddler for a tantrum, I'm not going to stand by and try to calm them down by agreeing its all the Lefts faul the meanies. The toddlers can burn out their tantrum and then reflect on the consequences and hopefully learn from it.