Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

I wouldn't say that was untrue. I think what made people bristle was the complete lack of acknowledgment (by the journalist & by extension EC) that what EC experienced was in any way driven by misogyny, when much of it - including examples given by those backing EC, appeared to be good old fashioned sexism.

As has been mentioned several times, the denial of misogyny is absolutely baked into the concept of being NB. It erases it, because if you are NB you are not a woman. More than that, if you are female and NB you actively reject womanhood & don't want any boring old misogyny reminding you of your sex.

OK now I'm confused
Simultaneously being told Progress Pride is an organisation and everyone knows its abandoned LGB in favour of TQ and that it's not an organisation so nothing to see here.

I would like to understand who alison was referring to when she implied "progress pride" (whatever that is) were a sacred caste sterilising children.

It is extremely emotive language and even more so if its not clear whether it refers to an organisation or a flag

For clarity, I'm saying when posters refer to LGBTQ organisations harming children it's going to go down badly with many gay people who have had a life time of their existence being implied to be a risk to kids. It would be more effective to be more specific with less emotive language, in my opinion.

She is bisexual

AKA that's an inconvenient question, please shut up 😂

Ahh the irony of this thread.

I am pretty sure if EC read it they would say it typified the sort of hostility they generally experience at the moment.

And who is this hostility towards her coming from? It looks like it is coming from GC feminists.

And these are the GC feminists who are telling EC that the hostility that they are experiencing is nothing other than misogyny.

So therefore, and to wrap it all up nicely...it is GC feminists who are displaying misogyny against EC.

Thank goodness the GC feminists have already arranged a nice get out clause of advising EC they are getting it wrong whatever they experience anyway 🤣 phew 😅

It's kind of weird that posters can't see what they are doing to EC on this thread.

I have to assume the poster who said it wasn't misogyny because EC was NB was joking 🙈

She never said she was bisexual in that article.

Can you describe the 'hostility' that EC is experiencing which, according to you, us typified by this thread? If you mean a refusal to accept that 'non-binary' is anything other than a load of regressive bollocks - why shouldn't lies be met with hostility?

Maybe we could also be educated as to how GC women should respond to celebrities (or anyone else) who promotes breast binding. You know, in case calling it out as a dangerous, regressive practice is considered too ‘hostile’.

You're the only one who used the word organisation, though? I used the word 'movement'. There's no specific organisation called Progress Pride, but the Progress Pride flag replacing the original Pride flag is part of the movement to force-team TQ+ people with LGB people, who the concept of Pride was originally invented by and intended for.

There are gay people on this thread who are more than capable of objecting if they feel any poster has been homophobic in their posts. It is very clear to actual gay people that that is not what @AlisonDonut was doing.

Unfortunately, so-called LGBTQ+ organisations such as Stonewall are totally complicit in the scandal outlined by the Cass Report. It's nothing to do with it being a 'gay organisation' (which it really hasn't been since about 2015) and everything to do with its being captured by gender ideology. The NHS isn't a gay organisation, but it carried out these dangerous experimental procedures because it, too, had been captured by gender ideology. These procedures were overwhelmingly carried out on LGB children- now THAT is homophobia.

Not-so-fun but interesting fact that I learnt today from a book I was reading- women were breast binding as far back as the 1920s to try to achieve the boyish, flapper-girl figure which suddenly became fashionable.

There's nothing progressive about it; it's yet another way women's bodies have been subjected to extreme modification- always involving pain- throughout history.

I can't even imagine how the feminists who burned their bras would feel about their granddaughters binding their breasts.

Ah yes, and of course this will be the end point ...

1."It doesn't exist"

1. "Phobia can only occur when the target possesses the characteristic, and not when they are only perceived to possess the characteristic."

3." Therefore, as there is no such thing as non-binary or trans, neither can there be any discrimination, prejudice or abuse in these directions. So please pipe down and go away"

Am I roughly right? 😂

Apart from the numbering anyway 😂

She said shes dated women in the link I out upthread. To a GC feminist like me, someone who dates men and women is bi.

Posh straight women trying to get some traction by citing 'homophobia' for getting a short haircut and some snippy comments on Instagram does not equal gay men getting their heads bashed in.

Well nope. At least one PP acknowledged that EC may have been on the receiving end of transphobia but that didn’t make any abuse homophobic.

One of the pieces of ‘evidence’ that EC received hostility was an account of the comments she was subject to due to having unshaven armpits. PPs disagreed this was either homophobia or transphobia, considering it to be pretty standard misogyny that women, including high profile ones, have been subject to for decades.

GC women are also, by definition, opposed to the championing of gender ideology and associated practices that EC engages in. It would be weird if they didn’t push back against some of what she says.

My point is the way posters on this board talk about it is unhelpful. It is made to sound like the child catcher is roaming around, rounding up children and sterilising them.

The reality is much more complex than that and by using emotive language you will be turning many people off having the debate.

It comes across to me as the GC equivalent of the TRAs saying "GC feminists are killing trans people!" by not supporting child transition/self ID.

Plus, like I say, many gay people are sensitive to the homophobic trope that gay = high risk of child abuse. Are you denying that trope exists?

If Emma Corrin needed sex-specific healthcare, I’d advocate for her right to it. If, heaven forbid, she ever needed a rape crisis centre or committed an imprisonable criminal offence, I’d advocate for her safety, privacy and dignity to be respected by provision of a single-sex space. If she ever wanted an abortion, I’d advocate for her right to have one. And so on, and so on, because that is feminism - standing up for the rights of all women, including those you dislike, those whose views you disagree with or find abhorrent, even those who reject the label “woman” for themselves.

Feminism does not mean holding back from critiquing the actions of women, where those actions are detrimental to womankind. I am critical of women who celebrate the sex industry (who are not the same as the women trapped within it), I am critical of women who support surrogacy, and for damn sure I am critical of women who support an ideology that is regressive and harmful to women and children.

I'd say that's exactly what's happening

Everyone one is non-binary, not liking wearing bras and wanting a short hair cut are not some unique identity, or a unique sex category of humans. It's a personal choice, preference, whatever. And great for any woman to refuse to conform to sexist expectations about her appearance. But, I wouldn't expect anyone to agree that having those preferences makes you not a woman, nor turns an opposite sex relationship into a same sex one.

I agree.
By "supporting EC" I don't mean "never criticising her".
There are several posts on this thread that I find distasteful and not a critique - more sneering at her. They've largely gone uncommented on.

I think its very refreshing to have someone who presents how she does as a successful actor, I think its helpful for young women to see that. Rather than sneering at her and dismissing what she says as "she just thinks she's speshul" an actual critique of why someone who presents like that attracts abuse would be helpful.

Yes a lot of it is misogyny. Some of it is homophobia. And some of it is transphobia.

Sneering and writing it all off as her somehow being too privileged to be abused is very distasteful.

I'm aware of it as a historical form of homophobia, but I think it would have affected gay people at least 15 or 20 years older than me- I'm in my early 30s, and have never once actually come across that particular form of homophobia. And I'm a primary school teacher. I've worked with several other gay primary school teachers, both male and female, and none of them have had that accusation, or even a hint of it, levelled at them. I think it would be rare to find a gay person under the age of 50 who has experienced that form of homophobia.

Once again, I really don't think it's necessary for straight people to police what is said in case gay people are offended- if any gay people ARE offended, we can say so ourselves.

How is helpful for young women to see someone who presents as EC does say "I am not a woman"? How is it helpful for young women to see her promote breast binding? How is it helpful for young women, particularly in the acting profession, to watch her lobbying for the collapsing of 'gendered' awards categories into gender neutral categories? Why are you so invested in telling GC women they should be more supportive of a woman who actively promotes gender ideology?

Alright this is a selection of posts from the first 8 pages of the thread. Bear in mind a cursory Google will show Corrin dates men and women, therefore not straight.

Of course she hasn't experienced bloody homophobia. People pointing out she's a straight woman not a super speshul non binary non woman aren't being homophobic

Oh god is this over privileged attention seeking wombat still whanging on about their specialness? Have they got a new film out or something?

I can't with her. She's a posh, white girl who attended a boarding school with fees starting at £8k/term and is currently dating a man. This appropriation of homophobia is deeply, deeply offensive.

How is this supposed homophobia manifesting itself? What abuse, physical or verbal, has Corrin been subjected to on the basis of Corrins homosexuality?

Oh gawd, not this tedious, competitive victimhood gobshite, Corrin again.

Does Emma Corrin think she is non-binary because she has short hair? Or that people presume she’s a lesbian because she has short hair?

I'm definitely phobic of posh people who don't own their own privilege.

Regardless of her non binary shit, she is the most irritating them person ever

I think if Emma's 'experiencing' anything at all it'll be selfabsorbedtwataphobia.

I didn't need to look that one up in the dictionary to agree with it. Honestly NB people need to get over themselves, nobody 'feels' female or male, they just are. It's such a lot of attention seeking nonsense. Just the fact that people feel the need to 'come out' as NB - why would anyone else need to know or even care? Oh yes of course, so they can call you by your 'look how speshul I am' pronouns.

She’s no more non-binary than anyone else in the world, she just has a lot more time, money & privilege that allows her to wang on about any old nonsense

The point is nobody think she's gay. She's not claiming people think she's gay. She's claiming that because she has a special internal identity of non binary even though she's a female in a heterosexual relationship she experiences homophobia because of her identity. Which is impossible, and insulting.

As soon as I see the name 'Emma Corrin', I know it's going to be related to gender and not her acting 'ability'. When the most 'interesting' thing about you is your gender identity......

TBH I'm a little tired of hearing enormously privileged people like EC talk about being 'marginalised'. When there are actors in the profession who have actually had to struggle & overcome enormous early disadvantage, it's frankly offensive.

People like". Although claiming to experience prejudice such as homophobia & transphobia is making a tacit claim to being marginalised. She's a rich white woman, from an enormously privileged background, in a straight relationship. She's an oppression tourist. It's insulting to people who actually are disadvantaged & it only serves to disguise real oppression. But if you want to consider a woman who squashes her tits and cuts her hair some kind of gay trailblazer, you do you.

I find that shocking to read about a successful woman. Guess I'm feministing wrong.

OK. Well that's nice for you and your friends. I'm only 10 years older and have gay male friends who have had that levelled at them and are sensitive to it.

Why are you assuming I'm straight exactly?