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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 17:11

Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

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Berga · 22/05/2024 19:37

DracoDormiensNumquamTittilandum · 22/05/2024 19:33

Even if it were true that anyone can perceive Emma Corrin's gender identity and somehow differentiate her from a regular woman and therefore perceive that they are a 'queer' couple rather than a regular straight couple they still wouldn't experience homophobia because Emma corrin is clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female and her partner is male.

Oh yes, I agree that it's not homophobia because I never said they were in a homosexual relationship. It would be queerphobia.

I don't think you can be clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female without buying into traditional stereotypes about what being female is.

GCITC · 22/05/2024 19:37

Berga · 22/05/2024 19:30

I don't need a new word. Queer relates to gender differences too. In case you need the Oxford definition:

'Queer: denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms.'

In this situation queer doesn't relate to sexuality as they are in a heterosexual relationship.

You could say that Corin is in a queer heterosexual relationship.

I can understand Corin saying that Corin received what Corin believes is vitriol for saying Corin is non-binary, but I don't see how anyone could be homophobic about Corin's current relationship.

BigPandaTinyDragon · 22/05/2024 19:38

Actually, Emma Corrin is a non binary person in a relationship with a man. That makes them a queer couple, not a heterosexual couple.

She is a woman. He is a man. They are a heterosexual couple albeit (her anyway) a rather attention seeking one. I thought she was good in The Crown but her acting seems to have become secondary to her self-perceived specialness.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/05/2024 19:42

Chersfrozenface · 22/05/2024 19:10

"Aida H Dee" (unpleasant name referencing a disability, but anyway) is a man - note the pronoun 'his' - as is his partner. So they are a homosexual couple.

Emma Corrin is female by sex, in a relationship with a man. So they are a heterosexual couple.

Heterosexual people cannot be the victims of homophobia.

It's so fucking offensive to all the gay men and lesbians who were "queer bashed", assaulted and murdered for being gay when these ultra privileged heterosexual people indulging in luxury beliefs, appropriate a hate crime for their own personal interests.

Numerous of my male gay friends were assaulted on the streets back in the day. The idea that this is being used by people who are not homosexual for their own narcissistic ends makes my blood boil.

Doyoumind · 22/05/2024 19:43

It's tedious. I went googling and found a DM article about this in which the writer is clearly having fun with the use of they as it reads more like utter nonsense than it needed to.

Emma believes people don't like her being openly NB out of fear. I can't eyeroll hard enough to express my utter terror.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/05/2024 19:45

Berga · 22/05/2024 19:37

Oh yes, I agree that it's not homophobia because I never said they were in a homosexual relationship. It would be queerphobia.

I don't think you can be clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female without buying into traditional stereotypes about what being female is.

What utter nonsense. Why would humans be the only mammals who can't instantly identify what sex another member of their species is, in almost all cases? Nothing to do with whether they fit the stereotypes or not.

Chersfrozenface · 22/05/2024 19:45

I don't think you can be clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female without buying into traditional stereotypes about what being female is.

You do know there are multiple physical differences between male and female human beings, right?

Which members of the species have been able to recognise throughout its history, whatever the prevailing clothing and behavioural norms of the period.

Ketzele · 22/05/2024 19:46

I get this from my niece, who is in a 'queer' relationship with a bloke. They are both they/thems and experience terrible 'homophobia'.

It's interesting how she always tells me this, as I have been an out lesbian for over 40 years and could tell her a tale or two. I just smile and nod.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 19:47

Christinapple · 22/05/2024 18:57

Yes, this is homophobia.

Regardless what your views on trans or non-binary people are, it's worth pointing out the intent matters. For example if homophobic abuse (verbal or physical) is dished out because the perp thinks the victim is gay that is certainly homophobia.

'The demand for homophobia seems to outstrip supply'.

Not sure what this means, but homophobia is unfortunately an issue.

"Aida H Dee, the founder of Drag Queen Story Hour UK, has been attacked in a suspected homophobic hate crime in Cardiff, just a few hours after proposing to his partner."

https://thepinknews.com/2024/05/22/drag-queen-story-hour-founder-attacked/

No one thinks Emma Corrin is a gay man.

I'm well aware homophobia is an issue, thanks- just not for straight people.

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Maaate · 22/05/2024 19:49

How is this supposed homophobia manifesting itself? What abuse, physical or verbal, has Corrin been subjected to on the basis of Corrins homosexuality?

Maaate · 22/05/2024 19:50

Is Rami Malek non-binary too?

TheMarzipanDildo · 22/05/2024 19:51

Berga · 22/05/2024 19:37

Oh yes, I agree that it's not homophobia because I never said they were in a homosexual relationship. It would be queerphobia.

I don't think you can be clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female without buying into traditional stereotypes about what being female is.

I mean I have a woman’s face, massive tits and I’m 5’2. I am clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female. It doesn’t matter how I dress or act, no one is going to mistake me for a man.

ArabellaScott · 22/05/2024 19:56

Christinapple · 22/05/2024 19:17

It doesn't matter what they are, what matters is what the perp thinks they are.

As an analogy, think of those pedo-stings e.g the show with Chris Hansen where a pedo is stung by an adult posing as a minor online. Turns out the perp was interacting with an adult all along but because they were engaging with inappropriate discussion with someone they thought was a minor this counts as an act of paedophilia (including under the law).

Why would anyone think a woman in a relationship with a man is a lesbian?

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 19:56

Berga · 22/05/2024 19:37

Oh yes, I agree that it's not homophobia because I never said they were in a homosexual relationship. It would be queerphobia.

I don't think you can be clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female without buying into traditional stereotypes about what being female is.

Well the breasts are a bit of a giveaway, for a start...

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BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 22/05/2024 19:57

Berga · 22/05/2024 19:37

Oh yes, I agree that it's not homophobia because I never said they were in a homosexual relationship. It would be queerphobia.

I don't think you can be clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female without buying into traditional stereotypes about what being female is.

You can, despite my jeans, short hair, lack of make up, boots and frequently holding a wrench or some other form of tool I am blatantly female

ACupOfTae · 22/05/2024 19:57

God, she’s insufferable.

Danni Minogue came out as ‘queer’ recently, too.

Meaningless word salad.

plus who actually GAF?

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 19:58

Ketzele · 22/05/2024 19:46

I get this from my niece, who is in a 'queer' relationship with a bloke. They are both they/thems and experience terrible 'homophobia'.

It's interesting how she always tells me this, as I have been an out lesbian for over 40 years and could tell her a tale or two. I just smile and nod.

You are a better woman than I am.

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IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 20:01

ACupOfTae · 22/05/2024 19:57

God, she’s insufferable.

Danni Minogue came out as ‘queer’ recently, too.

Meaningless word salad.

plus who actually GAF?

Edited

Did you see James Dreyfus's tweet in response to that? It was brilliant. Hang on, I'll try to find it.

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ArabellaScott · 22/05/2024 20:01

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 22/05/2024 19:57

You can, despite my jeans, short hair, lack of make up, boots and frequently holding a wrench or some other form of tool I am blatantly female

Some people confuse the material reality of having a female body with stereotypes. Somehow. My eight year old daughter seems to grasp the idea okay so I'm not sure why it causes difficulty.

Gender and sex are not the same thing.

WickedSerious · 22/05/2024 20:02

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ArabellaScott · 22/05/2024 20:03

If you're a theythem it might be themophobia or theyphobia.

We can't go on repurposing words anymore. We need our stuff back.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 20:04

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 20:01

Did you see James Dreyfus's tweet in response to that? It was brilliant. Hang on, I'll try to find it.

Here:

Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'
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WickedSerious · 22/05/2024 20:06

Berga · 22/05/2024 19:30

I don't need a new word. Queer relates to gender differences too. In case you need the Oxford definition:

'Queer: denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms.'

What's 'gender'?

WickedSerious · 22/05/2024 20:07

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 22/05/2024 20:04

Here:

She must have been thinking we'd forgotten about her.

She was right

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 22/05/2024 20:09

Oh gawd, not this tedious, competitive victimhood gobshite, Corrin again.