Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

I think its very refreshing to have someone who presents how she does as a successful actor, I think its helpful for young women to see that.

Serious question: how is it helpful for young women to see this, if it goes hand in hand with the message “to be like this you have to reject womanhood and call yourself something other than female”? How is that pushing back against a stereotype that woman = performative femininity?

"TBH I'm a little tired of hearing enormously privileged people like EC talk about being 'marginalised'. When there are actors in the profession who have actually had to struggle & overcome enormous early disadvantage, it's frankly offensive."

Oooo, that's me. And I completely stand by that. They remind me of the student protesters asking for humanitarian aid.

I'm assuming you're straight because you have posted on this thread a lot and, if you're not straight, it would have made sense for you to mention it given that most of the thread has been discussing homophobia.

I'm now also assuming you're straight because, if you weren't, you would probably have lesbian friends as well as gay male friends.

If I'm wrong, and you are not straight, I apologise for the assumption. If I'm right, and you are straight, and are trying to pretend you're not so you don't have to deal with the accusation of being a straight person who is telling posters they are homophobic when no gay people have actually found their comments homophobic, then that's pretty shitty behaviour.

I thought she was just non sensical?

I have a lot of lesbian friends
I'm not straight but not very comfortable describing myself - been in a long term marriage to a man and then a long term relationship with a man. Have dated women in the past. Prefer not to be labelled on the basis of sexuality.

You, at 5:25pm today: "To a GC feminist like me, someone who dates men and women is bi."

If you're not comfortable describing yourself and prefer not to be labelled on the basis of sexuality, perhaps you should extend the same courtesy to Emma Corrin?

Whatever. Kind of irrelevant to any of my points. I have every sympathy with how EC describes her sexuality. It is not straightforward for a lot of people.

If you want to call me bisexual I don't care. Technically its true. Its entirely irrelevant to my existence because to all intents and purposes I'm straight in how the world perceives me. I reserve the right to describe my own sexuality how I see fit.

Because it allows a conversation about gender and woman-hood, and biology.
It allows girls in particular to be curious about different ways of expressing themselves and what that means. Ultimately I think it will mean those women end up moving away from "non binary" and into "GNC but still a woman"

Just sneering and dismissing their experiences does nothing to help gender questioning teenagers. It makes it look like people dislike women like EC for being "non binary" aka GNC.

I'm mainly concerned about how girls grow up and navigate our over sexualised, gender stereotyped world. I also don't think telling teenagers and young people they are wrong ever works. Let them find their way.

If a young GNC girl sees EC and decides to identify as "NB", rather than that she must be a boy, that's a definite positive and more reversible.

Adam, genuinely, how does it allow a conversation about gender and woman-hood, and biology when no one is allowed to question or criticize the basis on which EC believes herself to be "non binary"?

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I'm objecting to the sneering, horrible posts about her. And the ones claiming she can't possibly have experienced homophobia, on the basis of no evidence.
If you want to "critique" her go ahead. Noone is stopping you, certainly not on this board. There is no "not allowed". It's just not what posters are actually doing.

It doesn't. And Adam continually refuses to engage with the fact that EC isn't simply presenting in a particular way, she is actively pushing gender ideology, including promoting breast binding. Adam seems genuinely surprised that GC feminists push back against this.

I'm disappointed (not surprised) that GC feminists are so sneering and horrible to a young woman. Especially when they claim to be concerned about "sterilising LGB children".

Why do you think EC presents the way she does? Especially if she's getting sexism, misogynistic and potentially homophobic abuse?

If this woman had refused the part of Diana and only auditioned for 'non-binary' parts I might have a smidgen of sympathy.

But if she literally is famous for playing women, mainly a woman who was literally famous across the globe and as such, will benefit from that across the literal globe. Who hasn't gone from rage to riches but riches to riches. And who puts a cloak of oppression on but can take it off again at any time she wants. And who then mithers about 'homophobia' because a few people commented on her Instagram.

Nah.

Firstly, you seem to be confusing 'to' with 'about'. You also seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that taking the piss is as damaging to LGB children as suggesting they compress their breast tissue and/or deny the reality of their biological sex.

To continue, by 'presents as she does' do you mean having short hair, not shaving her armpits or posing in her underwear for a glossy magazine. Or do you mean denying her womanhood and constricting her body? I imagine EC may argue she presents as she does because she is being her 'true self'. Are you suggesting something else is going on?

I assume you are just going to continue to ignore the problem that GC feminists may have with the ideology EC pushes?

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She is still a woman, regardless of how she identifies. It's not like Eddie Izzard playing a woman's part.

I see young women identifying as NB as victims of the patriarchy, not as part of the problem. Your responses look like you just have a problem with all trans people. That's not about "womens sex based rights" is it?

I mean in her photos she presents in a way most people would associate with men and butch lesbians. Very short hair. Suits. Mens clothes.
Unfortunately in this world women who do that still get a lot of sexist and homophobic grief. For some reason you and other posters seem to think that's fine because she's NB so she deserves it.

Anyway, I've said what I need to. On a thread a while ago someone got offended because I said I'd "unpeaked". Threads like this are why. I find it extremely distasteful and in no way relevant to womens sex based rights.

You don't think EC has any agency? You don't think her promotion of breast binding is coming from her, she's just a pawn? You similarly don't believe her active lobbying in relation to awards categories is anything more than a sign of her manipulation by patriarchy?
I mean elsewhere you've held KJK, for example, responsible for the things other people do at meetings she organises, yet here you don't seem to feel EC has any responsibility for the things she personally does. Bizarre

It's not irrelevant, because you have repeatedly 'corrected' posters who have said that EC is straight by saying she is bisexual, even though EC has not used that word to describe herself. It's entirely hypocritical.

Incidentally, through being in a high-profile relationship with a man, EC is also straight in terms of how the world perceives her.

Celebrity women using large platforms to push gender ideology to other younger, less-privileged women is entirely relevant to women's sex-based rights.

It's also a lie to say anyone said she 'deserved it'

The difficulty is the being NB is not "also known as" being gender non-conforming, they are not interchangeable terms or concepts. The first seeks to deny, and force others to deny reality. The second seeks to accept reality.

It may be that identification as NB could be a staging post on a journey to being comfortable being gender non-conforming, but it is not a healthy one (mentally or, often, physically).
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On the ‘young woman’ thing, EC is 4 years older than me and I’ve been a proper adult for years. It’s never occurred to me that getting a buzz cut would make me a new kind of human. Mind you, I’ve spent a lot of time on Mumsnet.

I do now really want a buzz cut but don’t think I could pull it off like EC!

I find it odd, and quite patronising, that you keep referring to EC as a young woman. She is 28. 'Young woman' suggests someone in their late teens/early twenties. Someone of 28 is perfectly capable of understanding the harm in the practices she is promoting.

All women are victims of patriarchy; it doesn't mean women should be excused for promoting sexism.

For some reason you and other posters seem to think that's fine because she's NB so she deserves it.

Which posters have said EC deserves to experience sexism and homophobia?