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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stickering

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washingsomuchwashing · 08/08/2023 06:09

I sticker regularly to raise awareness and they all get removed. Why is this? Other stickers aren't. Why can't people express their opinion? Took great pleasure in ripping down the Trans rights poster that's just appeared in my neighbourhood. If my stickers are removed, so will their poster.

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JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 06:29

The stickering is bizarre tbh. If someone posted on MN that their teenage son was sticking stickers in public places, regardless of what they said, they would be flamed as the parents of a vandal.

Often all you're doing is creating work for a cleaner - i.e. a woman on minimum wage. Not particularly feminist.

That said I do enjoy removing them when I come across the occasional one.

washingsomuchwashing · 08/08/2023 07:01

Oh that's interesting. I think they're a way of communicating – rent increases, use coins to stop them becoming obsolete, new restaurants etc, advertising. No one removes them (apart from mine!). I find it very encouraging when I come across similar stickers in the wild.

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JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 07:04

Well if others are left and yours are removed, I would take that to mean people disagree with your position (as a great many people do). If you're going to sticker politically then others can de-sticker politically.

The ones I remove are typically in the loos at work which is just shitty as, like I said, it's just adding to the cleaners' workloads.

BlackForestCake · 08/08/2023 07:17

Why should big corporations with money for billboards be the only ones who get to put their opinions in the public space?

It's very hard to walk down a high street without being bombarded with messages trying to sell you shit. I like it when at least some of the messages aren't commercial.

(Ideally of course I'd like to be left in peace altogether but that doesn't happen in cities)

PriOn1 · 08/08/2023 07:35

The reason yours are removed is because they might create publicity, Washing.

The vast majority do not believe that men should be in women’s spaces and many women will be heartened by seeing your stickers.

Women cannot be allowed to publically object, nor can they be allowed to realise that their position is common.

Therefore continuous threats are made against women who object.

Men with women’s names take time to belittle or dismiss these views as unpopular in the few spaces where it is permissible to discuss women’s rights, such as Mumsnet. Such sites have long been patrolled by these men.

Wikipedia is similarly patrollled by obsessives, who actively ensure the site is kept ‘pure’.

But where free speech is now allowed, on Twitter/X for example, it is obvious how much those who object are being silenced elsewhere. There is no doubt that public support for men having access to women’s spaces is not widely supported, but is being pushed from the top down.

They cannot allow honest and open discussion regarding the clash that occurs when such men demand access to women’s spaces. Open and honest discussion reveals that they have no valid argument. The policing of women must occur so those men can get what they want.

Busubaba · 08/08/2023 07:51

I put stickers on public bins and park benches.

The only people I have ever seen trying to reluctantly remove them and taking as long as possible are male council workers and I'm pleased I've given them something to do!

apples24 · 08/08/2023 07:53

I just went to women's loo in a council gym in Scotland and saw the stickers. Someone had tried to remove them but could still read the msg. Knowing that someone had put the stickers there made me feel seen, heard and like I'm not alone with GC views.

Tweeps · 08/08/2023 08:20

A coat of clear nail vanish over the sticker helps.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 08/08/2023 09:34

apples24 · 08/08/2023 07:53

I just went to women's loo in a council gym in Scotland and saw the stickers. Someone had tried to remove them but could still read the msg. Knowing that someone had put the stickers there made me feel seen, heard and like I'm not alone with GC views.

This is why I sticker

RoyalCorgi · 08/08/2023 09:35

For several years there have been systematic attempts to close down women's right to free speech. Women have been thrown off Twitter and Facebook, they have been sacked from their jobs, or subjected to disciplinary proceedings. They have had their meetings closed down by activists, and they have been shouted at, threatened with rape and murder and physically assaulted whenever they meet to discuss their rights.

Even on Mumsnet, one of the few places on the internet where women are allowed to discuss their rights, there is censorship: there are certain words and phrases we are not allowed to use.

So anyone who thinks that stickering is "bizarre" really hasn't been paying attention. Stickering is one of the few ways that women can voice their opinions – and reach other women to assure them that they are not alone.

washingsomuchwashing · 08/08/2023 17:40

Thanks @Tweeps

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Flickersy · 08/08/2023 17:54

washingsomuchwashing · 08/08/2023 06:09

I sticker regularly to raise awareness and they all get removed. Why is this? Other stickers aren't. Why can't people express their opinion? Took great pleasure in ripping down the Trans rights poster that's just appeared in my neighbourhood. If my stickers are removed, so will their poster.

Complains that people can't express their opinion, rips down other people's expression of opinion.

Alright then...

It goes both ways OP. If you can tear down other people's posters then your stickers can suffer the same fate.

Although I'm with the first reply, that it's basically vandalism creating work for women and at the same time making the place look scruffy.

Maerchentante · 08/08/2023 18:14

I put a sticker up on a lamp post almost two years ago to the day, it stayed up until May last year, when someone removed it.
It stayed there infinitely longer than any anti-Brexit sticker people put up. Put another one there in November, it was gone within two weeks.

RudsyFarmer · 08/08/2023 18:15

JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 07:04

Well if others are left and yours are removed, I would take that to mean people disagree with your position (as a great many people do). If you're going to sticker politically then others can de-sticker politically.

The ones I remove are typically in the loos at work which is just shitty as, like I said, it's just adding to the cleaners' workloads.

I would take it to mean that people disagree with the OP. I would take it to mean that some people disagree and those people are known to be incredibly militant.

RudsyFarmer · 08/08/2023 18:16
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JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 18:19

RudsyFarmer · 08/08/2023 18:15

I would take it to mean that people disagree with the OP. I would take it to mean that some people disagree and those people are known to be incredibly militant.

Whereas the people putting up stickers in public places aren't militant at all Grin

RudsyFarmer · 08/08/2023 18:29

JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 18:19

Whereas the people putting up stickers in public places aren't militant at all Grin

I wouldn’t compare gender critical feminists with TRAs no.

It’s easy to see people like KJK and think yep, she’s militant. In the scheme of the movement she is such a rarity. Most gender critical feminists are just going about their business quietly and indulge in wearing a purple striped scarf as a rebellious act. It’s just not the same as marching outside meeting places and sitting down in debating halls refusing to move.

One side is basically passive aggressive, roll their eyes a lot and tut and the other side wear balaclavas 🤣

JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 18:34

RudsyFarmer · 08/08/2023 18:29

I wouldn’t compare gender critical feminists with TRAs no.

It’s easy to see people like KJK and think yep, she’s militant. In the scheme of the movement she is such a rarity. Most gender critical feminists are just going about their business quietly and indulge in wearing a purple striped scarf as a rebellious act. It’s just not the same as marching outside meeting places and sitting down in debating halls refusing to move.

One side is basically passive aggressive, roll their eyes a lot and tut and the other side wear balaclavas 🤣

You know it's the same with transpeople right? Most are just living their lives, not activists, just hoping to use the bathroom without attracting attention.

JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 18:53

One side is basically passive aggressive, roll their eyes a lot and tut and the other side wear balaclavas 🤣

The more I think about it the more this annoys me. Any viewpoint will have a range of support from mild to moderate to militant. The idea that the loudest voices on your side are extreme and shouldn't be taken as representative, but that the loudest voices on the other side absolutely should, is logically inconsistent and does you no favours at all.

Changeforachange · 08/08/2023 19:02

Yes, I love to see a sticker in the wild.

It reassures me that I'm not the only one who can see the emperor is naked.

Riapia · 08/08/2023 19:26

Keep on stickering OP.

If freedom means anything at all it means being able to tell people things that they do not wish to hear.
George Orwell.

ProudTerf · 08/08/2023 20:23

Keep going OP. It always gave me a lift when i saw someone had been busy with stickers or sharpies. It also made me feel a bit guilty for not doing my bit so i started a few months ago. I know it's not much, a few stickers won't change the world and it's so little compared to what others are doing, but i hope when my stickers are seen it might give others a bit more confidence to join in.

I always sticker on supermarket trolley handles. Tesco seems to be quick to remove them, when i'm getting my trolley and when i'm walking around i hardly ever see one, but in Aldi i see quite a few of my previous sticks. My proudest moment of stickering was when i put one on the edge of the shelf next to the tampax price label. It was there for 3 weeks before being removed. Maybe it wasn't noticed straight away or maybe (i'm hoping) it was seen and ignored by a fellow GC.

JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 20:27

I always sticker on supermarket trolley handles. Tesco seems to be quick to remove them, when i'm getting my trolley and when i'm walking around i hardly ever see one, but in Aldi i see quite a few of my previous sticks. My proudest moment of stickering was when i put one on the edge of the shelf next to the tampax price label. It was there for 3 weeks before being removed.

Any other topic and MN would be incredibly judgy about people doing this.

NotTodaySanta · 08/08/2023 20:40

JenniferBarkley · 08/08/2023 18:34

You know it's the same with transpeople right? Most are just living their lives, not activists, just hoping to use the bathroom without attracting attention.

And as long as they use the correct "bathroom" (you're american right?) according to their sex they won't attract attention or shit all over womens rights. Win win!

RoseslnTheHospital · 08/08/2023 20:44

I have yet to see a sticker or poster in the wild, I look forward to it. I wouldn't give a stuff about anyone politely stickering about their chosen topic, even if I disagreed with their position (caveat of course that it's WORIADS).

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