Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

Did you mean to quote the comment you did? Only I can't see what the comment you quoted has to do with your question.

Say what you like, I'm also allowed to comment on how your scolding comes across. It doesn't matter much what terms you use when engaging in an attempt to shame women for talking about issues that negatively affect us and for refusing to accept lies/bs.

Yes I did.

Just a random what about the menz then?

I doubt it's random. Instinctive maybe

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Corrin is quite honestly one of THE most vapid, over represented privileged, white attention seeking straight media females in our media bubble. Is Rami confused as to what to do with his man parts when they are enacting their sec life. Non binary, my arse. Her breasts and vagina are very, very binary, as is Rami’s tackle.

No. I'm enquiring about the poster's theories of prejudice. They seem to be feeling entitled to override ECs stated (or not corrected) experiences and undermining the possibility of homophobia as a motivating prejudice against EC and saying misogyny is a better fit.

They also appear to be centering the female body as the basis for the experience of misogyny and sexism.

I am interested in hearing their thoughts on the origins of abuse of against gay men. As it seems from the poster's rationale that misogyny/sexism can not be a basis for this as gay men do not have female sexed bodies.

So I'm just wondering if they allow and accept gay men's statements that they experience homophobia when they are abused for being outside of the 'norms' of their sex whilst simultaneously disallowing gay women's assertions of experiencing homophobia for being outside the 'norms' of their sex. As this would seem a bit inconsistent.

It’s a shame really, I think Corrin has an acting talent that could lend itself to a long, artistically satisfying career (unlike, say Jameela Jamil, another, far less talented actress also prone to waving the progress pride flag despite not appearing ‘queer’, whatever that means, nor being in a same sex relationship) but being so thoroughly ‘current thing in 2020s identity’ will probably make longevity unnecessarily difficult for Corrin.

Goddess knows that even the best female actors have limited fulfilling roles available past midlife (and procedures to stay looking under 50 tend to ruin one’s ability to emote).

Yet upthread, a quote from Dennis of the Gay Men’s Network re: homophobia was handwaved away!

Perhaps start a new thread re: violence towards gay men (obviously a terrible thing) so we can keep this one on topic re: Emma Corrin?

I'm quite happy following up relevant points on this thread, thanks.

yes I think she's a very good actor, myself.

But that whole spread with the breast binder and claiming not to be a man or a woman affects my opinion of her credibility outside the profession.

I'd have thought gay women experience both homophobia & misogyny, while gay men experience homophobia but not misogyny. Or are you extending the definition of misogyny to include men?

I agree. How can men be subject to misogyny?

Could you then clarify what you meant by 'boring' lesbian?

Well this is what I'm trying to get at.

From what I can see it seems, from some posters on this thread, that gay, queer etc men will be allowed to assert their experience of homophobia during abuse, but that gay/bi/non-binary etc women will not be allowed to assert an experience of homophobia because they 'should know better' that what they are experiencing is misogyny instead.

This diminishes the stated experiences of those women/ non binary people etc and undermines them, whilst also being an inconsistent position.

Not really. Some posters are arguing that attacking a woman because she chooses not to shave her armpits, or shaves her head or doesn't wear 'feminine' clothing is misogyny, not homophobia. Unless, as been raised before, it's only lesbians who have hairy armpits, short hair & trousers, which sounds at best a tired old cliche, and at worst homophobic

Exactly! She is annoying twit

I used your common FWR parlance to describe myself, and I have no doubt you understand exactly what I meant by that and that you are being disingenuous now.

Seeing as you are so slavishly devoted and obsessed by this issue, I can confirm I am a female born lesbian.

Would every other poster like to declare their identity now please ? I hear we have some men on the boards so it would be good to get a break down of identity if we're playing that game.

@suggestionsplease1

Those rainbow flags indicate to me and my friends that I am welcome and do not need to feel intimidated, and when I see them defaced and destroyed we all feel more unsafe and worry about what is around the corner. It feels like Putin's ideas are making their way over here. And, as you say, it chips away at our sense of worth, enjoyment of and pride in our own sexuality. Straight people are unlikely to experience this same psychological attack when they see the defacement of rainbow flags.

I believe you and I understand why you feel that way.

I am not gay or bi(1). I fully acknowledge the rainbow flag never meant to me what it means to you. Nevertheless it did, and does, mean something to me on an emotional level.

Ten years ago that feeling was positive. Seeing the rainbow flag displayed more and more made me happy and optimistic because it stood for acceptance, tolerance, and opening up of society.

Now it is worry and fear. I feel I must police myself, hide things that are important to me and that I care deeply about, things that I think are ethically important to society, because I cannot trust that the people who fly the flag would treat me fairly if they knew. I cannot trust that they would listen to me and give me a fair hearing rather than assume they already knew everyting they need to know about why people like me feel as we do.

I tell you this not to suggest I have any claim on your flag or that as a straight person my thoughts on the rainbow flag have any relevance, but to explain that my feelings now are not born out of a pre-existing antipathy to the flag and the movement.

So while you may not agree with me and I do not expect you to, can you believe and understand that more and more women, including me, have the same reaction of feeling unsafe and worrying when we see the rainbow and trans flags displayed that you do when you see them defaced? Not because we fear or hate gay and bi people, not because we believe people with trans identies should go back to being what is cultirally expected for their sex, but because we have come to expect hate, misunderstanding, lies and agression against us from the people who now fly that flag?

(1) Not entirely true but the "it's complicated" bit is not relevant here

What sex are you Arabella Scott?

What I'm getting from this thread is that EC has suffered abuse since coming out as NB.
This abuse is not homophobia as it has nothing to do with being homo/bi sexual.

It could be transphobia. It might be misogyny, eg comments about not shaving armpits.

It's not my common parlance; I've never used the phrase 'boring lesbian'.

I'm a woman.

Great, welcome, and thanks for sharing with the group! 😄

Who would like to go next?

I don't think within our culture at least you can ever entirely untangle gender stereotypes, homophobia and mysogyny. They act on and reinforce each other.

Our society held that homosexual people would also be gender conforming for a very long time, in many ways still does. Effeminate boys and butch girls got (sadly still do) aggressive reactions because they triggered homophobia regardless of whether they were actually gay, while the worry of being seen as gay or lesbian worked to enforce gender norms. And an effeminate man was seen as lesser than a masculine one because mysogyny encodes masculinity as strong and effective and femininity as weak and ineffectual, while a gender non-confirming woman was seen as transgressive because she was stepping into a role she was not fit to do (mysogyny).

I'm late to this thread and have only read as far as this comment so apologies if anyone else has already made this point, but I doubt I'm the only woman who has had "fucking dyke" shouted at them more than once as a result of ignoring an earlier "come here darling" type catcall or attempted chat up in a pub. I'm not even particularly pretty but it happened several times when I was in my 20s (presumably because I was young and I have tits).

Not once, not ever, have I considered that homophobia. I'm straight; gay women's struggles are not mine to appropriate. What I experienced for real, and what Emma Corrin would experience in your imagined scenario, is sexism in action, not homophobia. The person doing the shouting may well be homophobic - if the worst insult they can think of to throw at a woman is a slur for 'lesbian' then they almost certainly are - but what was happening to me was not homophobic the way being set upon for walking home hand in hand with your wife or girlfriend is. It was an insult for not being the 'right' kind of woman in the eyes of the perpetrator: not feminine enough, not accommodating enough, not man-pleasing enough. And that's sexist.

But as has been said many times already, Corrin is not claiming she is being shouted at in the street for being coded by others as gay anyway, so her having been in that scenario is entirely theoretical.