Does anyone else not care if a 'hate incident' is recorded against them?

[WallaceinAnderland]

For some people it will mean absolutely nothing. Especially older people with no intention of applying for a job.

What does is really matter? They don't tell you so it's not going to worry you. There's no crime so you haven't broken the law. There's no fine, prosecution or imprisonment.

It's a non crime.

Personally I don't mind if it's recorded somewhere that I did not commit a crime.

Obviously people in work who need a clear DBS will be frightened into submission by this law but there must also be lots of us who aren't?

What if you have a name that's unusual? The whole thing sounds sinister to me. Surely it's an infringement of human rights?

I don’t make hateful comments or indeed say anything targeting vulnerable groups so I think 99.9% of people will be fine.

Neither do I. But remember, the offence in the eyes of the so called victim. They are the ones who get to decide what's hateful.

"Human beings can't change sex"

Is that a hateful statement?

"Women don't have penises"

Is that a hateful statement?

"Transwomen are biologically male"

Is that a hateful statement?

Even better, this is coming just as Police Scotland "will no longer investigate every crime reported to them... thousands of ‘minor’ offences such as some break-ins, vandalism and thefts where there are no leads or CCTV evidence may be written off."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24139935.police-not-investigate-crime-scotland-april/

I don’t make hateful comments or indeed say anything targeting vulnerable groups so I think 99.9% of people will be fine.

The complacency of people who say this makes me weep.

Do you not understand that what is deemed acceptable changes all the time and is highly subjective? 15 years ago, there was nothing controversial about saying that only a woman can give birth, for example. Now JK Rowling (amongst others) is vilified for this simple statement of fact.

Somebody who is 60+ will have grown up in a world when the term 'coloured people' was considered the correct and respectful term for black people (if you don't believe this, check out the NAACP). If they are not keeping up with the evolution of language, or if they just have a senior moment, they could easily offend someone accidentally.

"Queer" is highly controversial, with some gay people loathing it as a term of abuse, and others proudly reclaiming it.

Everyone of us uses language that is offensive to someone.

It concerns me a lot due to first paragraph generally

And for many people in other paragraph

Are you living in the UK? Cos you might need to rethink that if you're going to be petulant about rain.

Wrong thread!! Sorry!

Who knows

I wonder how long it will take for there to be a test case

Remember Keir Starmer on the statement "only women have a cervix". His stance - "It is something that shouldn’t be said, it is not right.”

I repeat, "It Is something that shouldn't be said."

How far is it from "something that shouldn't be said" to "something it's illegal to say"?

I fear you have a point. Scary times. I found that comment of his incredibly offensive but women don't count it seems.

About 0.0001 seconds, at the rate things are going on Twitter/X.

I would very much care if I had one of these against my name. I'm retired and I do however volunteer

It's easier than chasing shop lifters.

😂

I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list.

Fucking hell.

This thread was reminding me of the privileged women who can say 'I don't care about men in a changing room or toilet because it doesn't affect or bother me' with the subtext of (and I don't care therefore about any other women or the ethics and issues).

But then I saw this: I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list.

And thought there are the lazy, complacent and selfish, and then there are the mad and the fucking scary to stay as far away from as possible and hope to God you don't have one as a neighbour or a colleague.

A Scottish MSP had one, for quoting a Daily Mail article.

I mean, wake the fuck up. Not wanting kids sterilised and mutilated is not a hate crime. It is the very opposite.

Across the world.

The Australians just issued X/Twitter with a 'take down' notice to take one tweet from a Canadian down, otherwise they will be fined around 750,000 Australian dollars. One tweet.

It's happening in the UK anyway. And people who appear on this 'black list' are not given the courtesy of being informed of the fact. Sarah Phillimore only discovered it when the person who reported her (always non-threatening, in no way criminal) Twitter posts to the police, then used the same public platform to crow over her.

A police black list of people who have never been charged, tried or convicted of any crime is the stuff of dystopian nightmares, straight out of Stalinist Russia. Yes, I care. I care extremely. And the idea that this likely won't affect specific individuals who are not in the jobs market, etc., is, I'm afraid, naive.

It's the thin end of a very dangerous wedge. This sort of thing is exactly how it starts.

If you use anything out of the Daily Heil then really you have got whatever coming to you. It is a cancer.

There you go folks.

If you mention anything from the daily mail you deserve to be taken away by the Gestapo, and posters here would support living in a society that behaves like this.

Ah yes, it's always the way that we raise concerns that's the issue, isn't it, and not the concerns themselves.

There is another thread running on here about a man using a women's changing room with a semi-naked child (unrelated to him) present, and some posters are complaining that the woman who told staff about this was too shouty. Remember, Ladies, you must always be docile and feminine when protecting a child from a sex offender.

When you know you haven't got a leg to stand on, your only recourse is to complain about how the other side does things. You can't engage with our actual arguments, because you know you'll lose.

What if you quote it but disagree with the words it printed? Or is it just referring to it as an entity that is worth of a death camp?

Mocking hate is fair game and I think (read:hope dearly) that you know that.

Can you actually answer the question I asked.