Does anyone else not care if a 'hate incident' is recorded against them?

[WallaceinAnderland]

For some people it will mean absolutely nothing. Especially older people with no intention of applying for a job.

What does is really matter? They don't tell you so it's not going to worry you. There's no crime so you haven't broken the law. There's no fine, prosecution or imprisonment.

It's a non crime.

Personally I don't mind if it's recorded somewhere that I did not commit a crime.

Obviously people in work who need a clear DBS will be frightened into submission by this law but there must also be lots of us who aren't?

Reading some of these posts is incredible. It really is comparable to the period you mention.

There are no arguments to be bad when you don’t know the difference between sex and gender. We simply can’t discuss this until you’re ready and have done a bit of reading.

It’s also very draining speaking to people like you. I am not going to try and convince BNP members that I am a person worthy of respect ; I do not always have it in me to convince you these are people and the language you use is awful and roughly the same used to describe gay men in the 80s. Sexual pervert, corrupting kids blah blah blah. I’m not even trans!

Sometimes people get the message by education and lessons in basic decency and sometimes “the moon is made of cheese/vaccines cause autism/5G causes cancer” crowd can be assumed beyond savings and laughed at.

I quite like the idea of being on a list.

I wonder if they'll warn delivery drivers about me???

Well I'm of the generation that fought for data protection laws, so hell yes it matters. Did the British media ever cover the Swiss secret services misconduct in the 90s? Turned out they'd been keeping files on a significant chunk of the population, including many MPs. The file on one female parliamentarian included such gems as "likes to have a beer at night." So.... harmless, surely?

I quite like the idea of being on a list.

But in the theme of Groucho Marks, would you really want to be on a list that has you on it?!!

“First they came for the people standing against misogyny and homophobia

and I did not stand up because I lacked the wit to understand the misogyny and homophobia.”

Would it be exclusionary of me to say that I wouldn't?

What do you mean the difference between sex and gender? Sex is male or female, it's non negotiable, no one can change sex! Gender is a social construct, or a made up load of old bollocks in my opinion.
What's the BNP got to do with anything?
I also find the gay bashing of the 80s hateful and vile, but that has no bearing on what is being discussed here.
Well you just described yourself perfectly in that last sentence. Beyond help, laughed at and ridiculed, that's just charming!

HipTightOnions · Yesterday 22:25

I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list.

Yes, that struck me, too. I wonder how the poster would feel, if the Tories brought in something similar, but operating opposite to the Scottish one and they ended up on a list?

Hagpie · Today 09:59

There are no arguments to be bad when you don’t know the difference between sex and gender. We simply can’t discuss this until you’re ready and have done a bit of reading.

Good grief! Have you actually read any posts at all, on FWR? Every poster on this thread and the wider board knows exactly what the difference is.

And from Lucy's post, I can't understand how you even came to that conclusion, it's simply nonsensical.

Would it be exclusionary of me to say that I wouldn't?

I wouldn't too. I feel terrible for not being inclusive now. I'm a LERF.

I would be affected, if I were to go on a list. I need visas to work abroad and that could scotch any chance. I work for a number of different companies and a couple will ask annually, for a DBS check.

My brain hurts.

Sorry Wicked! List Exclusionary Radical Feminist!

Back to the thread. I personally wouldn't really be affected if I was on a list. But the whole shitshow around this will be enormous. I still can't believe it's been allowed to stand.

Even if we aren't affected personally, it's a sinister, insidious act, contrary to justice, in my opinion. A secret judgement against you, which you can't know about, unless by serendipity and one which is very difficult to challenge.

A situation for which the adjective Kafkaesque is perfect.

You lot are weird.

On 1st April, I shall reload this page, whereupon this misogynistic hate that Hagpie has written will be taken to have been published in Scotland, and I shall report it.

moderate · Today 11:08

Great!

When I think how many reports mnhq alone likely get on this site and then extrapolate it to nearly the whole world reading stuff online and getting upset at whatever

How on earth is this going to work? How has Scotland decided this is plausible

This thread was reminding me of the privileged women who can say 'I don't care about men in a changing room or toilet because it doesn't affect or bother me' with the subtext of (and I don't care therefore about any other women or the ethics and issues).

I very much do care about other women and I know how badly this is going to affect women's rights unless it is challenged.

I'm thinking more about the fact that some of us are not as shackled by circumstances at the moment and could maybe take one for the team. Such as JKR is likely to but not on that scale as I don't hold that much influence.

Those of us who don't mind being on the Stasi list and who are not personally in danger of losing jobs could get reporting all hate aimed at groups such as LGB Alliance, for homophobia.

The fact that you can report anonymously direct to Police Scotland might mean that they don't bother trying to find you but will still have to put in the work. The sooner they get tired of this, the sooner they will stop it imo.

Online Reporting Form

Sometimes people get the message by education and lessons in basic decency and sometimes “the moon is made of cheese/vaccines cause autism/5G causes cancer” crowd can be assumed beyond savings and laughed at.

I find the moon is made of cheese people to be more equivalent to the people who believe that men are women. Both things can be throughly debunked by facts.

I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list.

Given that I always get swabbed for explosives and searched on leaving the country, I suspect I'm already on one!

However whats your thoughts on the following:

Any discussion on abortion and potential amendments regarding Down Syndrome
Women deserving female only rape services or medical examiners
Israel and Palestine

Even moderate stances on all of those could easily be reported as hate if noticed by the "wrong" people (I.e. anyone who disagrees or has an axe to grind). How can we discuss and debate anything if it can be immediately shut down and the police involved?

I still have relatives in Russia and I find this terrifying.

Hmmm…
I wonder if Hagpie knows MargarittaPie?

The gleeful telling off and insults to the women of FWR, coupled with bizarre detours in thought - may suggest kindred spirits? I’m sure they’d mesh well.

Misogyny isn't covered by the bill though unfortunately.

• Race
• Religion
• Disability
• Sexual orientation
• Transgender identity

I find the whole thing extremely concerning. The police have said the name will be noted on the file of the person reporting it - but they can report it anonymously, so where does the 'offenders' name go then?

April 6th in Edinburgh will be interesting. I hope many women turn out.