JKR vs IW

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Are we going to talk about this? I think JKR was feeling a bit grumpy today 😀

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-india-willoughby-twitter-gender-b2507309.html

I am a bit worried that "naice" people will think JKR is being horrid.

There's a big difference between calling someone "it" which is deliberately dehumanising, and calling a male person, who has harassed you multiple times, the correct pronoun for their sex.

lol.

Calling a man a man, isn't transphobic. Neither is calling a narcissist a narcissist.

India is proving J. K. Rowling's point with every tweet.

As usual.

And if you think the penny is dropping into your piggy bank, might I suggest you read the below the line comments running into thousands and thousands.

Barely a single person disagrees with J. K. Rowling.

So JKR is not doing herself any favours and the penny is dropping for many people but also, JKR is inciting the murder of trans people?

I reckon a ‘penny dropping moment’ is when someone realises that an abused and threatened woman has made a stand that she will not allow her language to be changed when calling out male abuse and threats to female people.

I reckon a ‘penny dropping moment’ is when society realises that a male abuser cannot hide their abuse behind insisting their philosophical belief be adhered to by their victims and by society.

I reckon a ‘penny dropping moment’ is realising extreme trans rights activists will weaponise a horrific murder to coerce society into adhering to their philosophical belief and that that act in itself is abusive.

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If IW was as sensitive to verbal incitement to violence in his own foul outpourings his argument would be more persuasive.

Was just going to reply but you’ve said it for me.

It’s pretty poor to bring up the murder of a child as justification for IW’s hyperbole and self absorbed rants because JKR finally bit and played them back at their own game.

IW has goaded JKR continually and must be loving the attention this has given them.

And yes I hope they continue with their increasingly ludicrous rants because let them speak really is shining light on the reality.

The gulf in class and dignity between IW and JKR is there for all to see.

The argument that refusing to submit to a man's fiction leads to other male people being murdered is a spurious one at best. What it actually means is, once people lose this taboo, they will say this and many other things that the activist movement does not want said or normalised.

Possibly the activist movement should have thought of that before a lot of actions that trampled other people's rights, and considered that respect is a mutual thing. It certainly should not be weaponing the terrible murder of a child in trying to coerce a taboo back in place for its own benefit.

I think IW has more of a history of misgendering people on Twitter than JKR.

There is no evidence that Brianna Ghey’s killers were at all influenced by either women campaigning for women’s rights, or women standing up to abuse on Twitter.

It is certainly abusive to call somebody ‘it’. It is sometimes necessary and relevant to state somebody’s sex.

Joanna Cherry reported Willoughby, and Willoughby had Willoughby’s own police visit.

a 'penny-dropping' moment that this isn't about a common-sense position but a seemingly deep-seated antipathy towards trans people

Maybe you don’t know what IW has said about specific trans people and lesbians publicly.

Yes,literal violence and all that shizzle.

Why is Willoughby shouting at the Met Police now?

Wasn't it Northumbria Police that told Willoughby that being correctly sexed is not a crime?

There's a startling lack of acknowledgement for how the broader culture and climate leads to discrimination against groups on FWR.

Hate crimes do not come out of nowhere; they flourish in a culture which is permissive of lower level hostilties.

The existential bit there.

You'd initially think 'police, if you don't enforce my control over other people they'll kill me' is a bit hyperbolic. But I suppose in terms of a personal fiction only existing so long as no one speaks the truth, it may feel like that.

Unfortunately, however it feels, it is not justification for that coercive control over others, or preventing them speaking the truth, and expecting them to go on performing that lie for you obediently regardless of situation or consequences to themselves and others.

Truth is not hostility. Enforced lies do not save lives.

And God knows with the amount of hostility and disrespect the activists hurl hourly at women, with actual violence behind it, there should be barely any women left by now if that were true.

Do you not know that IW is quite happy to misgender people with opposing views?

Can you not see that it’s relevant that IW is a man?

Can you not see that you have to allow space for debate and analysis of gender, sex and it’s impact?

You're here telling women on a feminsit board about discrimination, hostility and hate?

'Permissive of lower level hostilities' refers to pronouns and it actually means permissive of lower level rebellion and refusal to submit.

If rebellion isn't stamped out, if control is not regained and enforced over pronouns, then yes, it risks a lot of the control of the lobby falling. Women here are not really going to rush to prop up their own subjugation.

Once again, calling a man a man is not a hate crime.

Neither is it hostile.

It's just a fact.

If a man's self perception views it as hostile, might I suggest the issue lies with him.

Because it sure as shit doesn't lie with reality, the understanding of the entire population, or the law.

99% of the hostility comes from TRAs and is aimed at women who object to males in their spaces / sports / services. I wonder why that might be?

There's a startling lack of acknowledgement for how the broader culture and climate leads to misogyny and the erosion of women's rights by some commenters on FWR. This occasionally looks like they don't care about women's rights.

FTFY. HTH.

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Of course you can have space to debate those things without descending to a hostile, vitriolic attack which is targeted at someone's trans status.

I'm really quite enjoying how India is making it crystal clear to the entire country that in no way is misgendering a crime. And the rage with which it's greeted by transactivists, including demands that the police arrest perpetrators, is all the evidence needed to support single sex facilities.

J. K. Rowling said something similar a long time ago.

That transactactivists' reaction to women wanting single sex spaces, shows exactly why they're needed.

Do you mean when IW was wanting the likes of D Hayton to be unalived?

JKR criticised IW as an abusive man - somebody who has specifically and repeatedly targeted her. What did she say that can’t be backed up with evidence?