JKR vs IW

[ZeldaFighter]

Are we going to talk about this? I think JKR was feeling a bit grumpy today 😀

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-india-willoughby-twitter-gender-b2507309.html

I am a bit worried that "naice" people will think JKR is being horrid.

Nope

Did you see a recent KJK video about a young NB (I thought the speaker was a TM but I couldn't check the source). KJK keeps talking about NB but the title is: Trans men" the bayonet on the trans…rifle

The young person's monologue was genuinely baffling. However, it was plausibly an honest account of the complexity of wanting pronouns to affirm an identity when you're unsure about your own identity at various times. I paraphrase and may have over-simplified it. But @ 38mins in is the section that I have in mind.

I've not linked it because I think the speaker is young (< 25 years-old) but I may have misjudged that.

It’s certainly unattainable.

It’s like me identifying as 6’ 7” and filing harassment charges because, when anyone looks me in the eye, I insist they are staring at my tits!

Sure, let's go for it.... 😎

Absolutely not "it" - "it" is used for a baby or child whose sex is unknown, but never for an adult. She, he or they ("they" to refer hypothetical adult/adult whose sex is unknown) are the only options.

Pretty sure 'it' isn't allowed.

Although it was historically just the pronoun for the neuter grammatical gender in English, the word has come to be used only for animals and inanimate objects. So its use to refer to humans is frowned on.

To be honest, I was playing around with the phrase. Suggesting we “go for it” in using sex pronouns (without the quotation marks around “it”).

Still, clarity would be nice to avoid being deleted…

This is pinned at the top of the thread for those who missed reading it.

@LarkLane

Thanks

I’ve been bookmarking so don’t t see the top of the thread anymore.

My own view is just not to use pronouns at all if possible, or at a push they / them. It’s clunky but workable.

Equally clunky but I often wish we could revert to using someone's family name without it sounding impolite or overly formal.

Mapp rather than Lucia, as it were.

I do get that, honestly.

I felt a lightening excitement when JKR referred to IW with sex based pronouns. I experienced a rush of (by proxy) freedom to a time before the now.

Others followed in Twitter-land after legal clarity was given.

It was like fresh air and sunshine after humidity and fog.

Happy to stick with the current status quo here.

I quite like clunky. It makes a point.

And no 'they' malarkey. Name or initials every time.

At least, until we're allowed to speak the truth.

Archive of the Telegraph article.

https://archive.is/j7AGQ

No I don't think that's OK. I would prefer not to see people called "it", personally

It does indeed make the point.

’Willoughbyself’ might be my favourite.

Thanks Rain.
Quite a good article. I can see why IW is spitting feathers.

I go for deliberately clunky with scare quotes round "they/them" to show I'm complying under protest. I'm on a warning.

I've given up on pronouns in these situations. I left be kind behind years ago.

It seems that Willoughby only has one pronoun. Repeated several times..

Re: JK Rowling is right: a trans woman is not a woman, and it’s not wrong to say so
The Harry Potter author is a heroine for sticking to her principles in the face of vile insults and misogyny

I should have guessed Canada would go beyond Scotland's abandoned proposal.

If stories of gender-critical women being hounded out of their jobs, their universities, and in the recent case of Newcastle United fan Linzi Smith, their football club, aren’t already disturbing enough, we now hear word of a Canadian proposal to impose house arrest on someone who is believed likely to commit a hate crime in the future – even if they have not done so already.
The proposed clause in Canada’s new Online Harms Bill would see suspected “hate criminals” forced to wear an electronic tag and banned from going outside. In Willoughby’s world, that would include anyone who thinks she’s a bloke.

A little bit more homophobia from you know who. God the rage is palpable.

“You’re not a real woman. You’re a lesbian woman. You’re not a real man. You’re a gay man”: Cis Toffeynose, Daily Telegraph.

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1766885664342041038

😂😂

Don't give the SNP or the Scottish greens ideas! They'd love to charge people with thought crime.

Absolutely not ok with referring to any person as 'it', regardless of how cross I get about their pronoun hoops. My problem is with being required to lie and service someone against my consent and without reciprocity. Not with seeing any group as less than human, and therefore entitling me to treat them in ways I wouldn't usually. You know, by saying things like 'die in a grease fire' or 're frame your trauma', or that lesbians aren't real women. The kind of stuff poured out from this political movement against women constantly.

Fgs.

You'd think by now a friend would have prised their phone and computer out of their hands, unplugged their wifi and taken them out for a break from all this.