JKR vs IW

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Are we going to talk about this? I think JKR was feeling a bit grumpy today 😀

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-india-willoughby-twitter-gender-b2507309.html

I am a bit worried that "naice" people will think JKR is being horrid.

I think it would probably have to be different forces, wouldn't it?

Maybe starting with W Yorkshire!

I would argue that if anything meets the threshold, talking about kidnapping three prominent women you disagree with in a van does.

I suspect you are right.

She's our goalie.

Goalkeepers have also been known to score goals against opposing teams. (See Tim Howard) - and when they do it is IMPRESSIVE!

Methinks the they/them doth protest too much . . .

Empty vessels etc

Glad that the "absolutely lovely" police officers were able to reassure IW that he/she/it/the/them was right in principle - but bearing in mind that a non-crime hate incident can be someone thinking that you might have looked at them funny, it isn't a high bar.

I'd love to have been a fly on the dashboard of that cop car when they came away.

You'd have to do both together, otherwise he first person to make a misogyny complaint would be a trans-identifying male.

I'd put money on it.

https://twitter.com/HazelAppleyard_/status/1766205374489661760

Just seen this on X

I lose track of this at times but is CoP using "particular characteristic" where it should be "protected characteristic"? iirc the incorrect perception of a PC that leads to a hate crime (don't know about NCHI) is still counted as a hate crime.

And this is what we all need, opaque guidance (shouldn't that be an oxymoron?).

Perhaps we should report everything as a NCHI to help the police realise the folly of it sooner

💯. The first thing a gvt that supports biological women (🙄) must do, is make biological sex a protected characteristic in the EA. Then we’re talking...

As evidenced by, when in Scotland the SNP considered making it a hate crime, the group sent to investigate/set up were very heavily stacked with men and activists who will centre men.

The whole point of a misogyny law in their eyes would be a new weapon for male people with TQ+ identities to control, punish and silence women.

As the LGBT conversion ban has nothing to do with LGB, misogyny law would have fuck all to do with women.

This kind of legislation is better not passed at all than passed in a way that makes things worse.

The police "monitored strands" for "hate" don't map neatly onto the protected characteristics of the Equality Act.

Oh for fuck's sake India is so thick. So by not clamping down on things that aren't a crime you are encouraging other things that aren't a crime

Three gender critical women, whose views are legally protected.

Has India been reported to the police for his hate crimes - anyone know?

Anyone who received death threats, rape threats, violent abuse, etc and has a protected characteristic (in addition to being a woman - cause that doesn’t count…), I’m sure the police would love to hear from you!

10.2K likes…

https://twitter.com/HazelAppleyard_/status/1766205374489661760

It's sadly too plausible that the police officers would be thinking, "We've all been there in our WhatsApps sharing similar thoughts about women who want to have freedom to speak and think. We've our own ways of dealing with them."

Women can't get charges brought when there's clear video evidence etc. (Riley Gaines and the 'lack of evidence' when there's video, audio, and police were also trapped in the room with her.) The NZ judgment. Too many ghastly incidents in the UK.

Oh I have no doubt - but I wondered if India had been reported at any point for his tweets?

Willoughby finally understands that misgendering isn't a crime??

all things considered, one would assume this would be a relief…

Yes, the fact that they haven't even presented the case to the CPS is very significant. And unprecedented? Previously I think it's been automatic. Indeed, the College of Policing guidelines were clear that a complainant's perception was not to be questioned. They would interview the alleged offender to establish evidence of hostility behind the digital communication, and then leave it to the CPS to decide. There are plenty of examples where 'misgendering' and hostility weren't even present that went to police interview and the CPS. Then record the NCHI when the inevitable verdict comes back from the CPS.

So India massively overreacts to misgendering and now must endure far more misgendering as a result. It's like the entire trans movement in a nutshell. Trans people were far better off before the activists came along.

https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1766280382285033480?refsrc=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

IW does like to spit the dummy out when they don’t get their view way. Lives at risk - Over dramatic much?

It's not really that dramatic when you consider that a trans teenager was murdered recently and the judge found that transphobia was a motivation for the murder.

One of the killers repeatedly referred to the victim as 'it' in their correspondence.

So yeah, how pronouns are used clearly forms part of the broader picture of transphobia.

JKR may not have commited any crime but she has certainly not done herself any favours.

There were quite a few folk out there who had some time for what she had to say, they've now read the diatribe and the vitriolic attitude is a dawning realisation for them; a 'penny-dropping' moment that this isn't about a common-sense position but a seemingly deep-seated antipathy towards trans people

Long may India continue.

There's nothing more effective than telling the police they're putting lives at risk by not arresting women who haven't committed a crime.

Honestly. It's unbelievable that India doesn't see the optics of a male flying off the fricken handle when they can't get a woman arrested because she won't do what they say.

I guessing India really can't see it. Is just blind to it.

In this instance, the fact India had a fledgling career on the telly is actually helping. If they hadn't, they would just be written off as a nutty TRA like all the others.