JKR vs IW

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Are we going to talk about this? I think JKR was feeling a bit grumpy today 😀

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-india-willoughby-twitter-gender-b2507309.html

I am a bit worried that "naice" people will think JKR is being horrid.

hostile, vitriolic attack

It's always vitriol isn't it, when women speak their minds and disagree.

Never an exchange of views and evidence, always vitriol. I wonder why that hyperbole is deployed so frequently. I've never word search Denton for it, that's an obvious hole.

If anyone personifies vitriolic and hostile it's India W. In spades.

You pitch this as if the rights are mutually exclusive.

But as I have said many times before, the countries in the world that are doing best for women are also those that are doing best for trans people.

The countries that score highest for women's wellbeing and parity with men are also the countries which have policies of self ID.

Are this is not just one study, or a pet project by a sociology student...this is demonstrated through the World Economic Forum Global Gender Gap Report

https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-gender-gap-report-2023/

And in other major studies:

https://www.georgetown.edu/news/this-is-the-best-country-to-be-a-woman-new-report-finds/

Why are the countries doing best in the world for women also the ones that have policies of self-ID?

And yet the absolutely vitriolic attacks against women by TRA are always glossed over or justified - funny that 🤔

Shall we post all the information that we have found that shows your constant claims to be incredibly weak?

I am more than happy to repost it all. Others probably too will post what they found.

Your claims don’t show what you want them too because that foundation doesn’t actually measure violence against women and the impacts of allowing male people to use female single sex spaces. Or have you forgotten?

But as I have said many times before, the countries in the world that are doing best for women are also those that are doing best for trans people

You mean countries like Malta, that bastion for women's rights and the USA with no maternity leave rights and women having to share cells with male rapists. Those countries?

You know what, I’m sick of all this shite.

How come the men pretending to be women make so much fucking noise?

You go right ahead and post 'all that information ' about my "claims' 😁

Out of interest what were these claims of mine? And please don't do the usual thing of misrepresenting me..I expect direct quotes from my posts if you wish to go down that route.

I asked a question in that last post.

Why are the countries that are doing best for women in the world, as evidenced by major studies which are referenced by international governments, women's rights groups, health organisations etc, also ones that have policies of self-ID?

But as I have said many times before, the countries in the world that are doing best for women are also those that are doing best for trans people

This is a good starting point.....what does 'doing the best' for both groups look like? There compromises are needed from one or both sides, what do they entail?

Like Malta, where they have self ID but abortions are completely banned?

Like the US where some states have self ID but women’s rights are being flushed down the toilet, but Planned Parenthood can’t grow a back bone and clarify who is affected?

It’s really simple. Women need specific rights regardless of how they identify. They can’t exist if people are unable to explain what a woman is. Do you think a woman can avoid pregnancy by identifying as a different gender?

‘Everyone can just have the same rights’ is just old school Men’s Rights activism. We have seen it all before.

JKR has been politically involved in issues where sex is relevant for years - single parents, refuges, orphanages, medicine. Why should she pretend it isn’t? To be polite to an abusive man?

Why are the countries that are doing best for women in the world, as evidenced by major studies which are referenced by international governments, women's rights groups, health organisations etc, also ones that have policies of self-ID?

They aren’t.

I am about to go out. I will come back and post why your claims that the countries that the world economic forum claims to be the best for women doesn’t compare to what we are pointing out. You claim that women are ‘doing better’ in the countries identified by World economic forum. But when you drill down into what that means it doesn’t show that women are safer and have better health care and a range of things.

You are hiding behind false claims. It has been pointed out to you. But I will go through it all again when I come back. Or will you do your usual and disappear and never actually address the issues that we post? That has been your method the last two times.

‘countries that are doing best for women in the world’

What does ‘doing best for women’ mean exactly, to you?

Probably something to do with that special bulge reducing underwear they need. Must be very tight and uncomfortable, no wonder they squeal.

I see the usual dead cat's arrived.

It doesn’t matter how they self identify or present themselves, the innate male entitlement shines through from beneath the emperor’s new dress

Brainworm, the world economic forum measures such things like women in the country’s leadership. Ie. Those who have a Queen or a female PM do very well. Meanwhile, some of those countries have horrendous domestic abuse stats.

Namibia is there and has very high mortality rates for laboring women.

am about to go out. I will come back and post why your claims that the countries that the world economic forum claims to be the best for women doesn’t compare to what we are pointing out.

Or Bunbury might think it advisable to avoid SP1's <MRArail> I'm a little surprised at how TwiX is handling this exchange/spat given the recent revised guidance about pronouns etc.

You can read the definitions that the reports give themselves, but broadly speaking, the Global Gender Gap Report is trying to measure women's parity with men on 4 key dimensions of economic participation and opportunity, educational attainment, health and survival, and the Women Peace and Security Index is looking at measures of inclusion, justice, and security.

Are men included in that parity with men?

This really holds the three key questions.

What about the answers to these? Because to me, the hypocrisy of misgendering being ok when done by the right (powerful) people, the pretending that sex isn't relevant in this case and the denial of space for debate and analysis is very obvious.

The power and benefit is as usual, binary and sex based.

If transwomen are included in the figures for any given country they will lower the overall performance for women for that country as we know that they have poor outcomes on all the measures used.

"Inclusion" often ignores the exclusion of vulnerable women who cannot tolerate a mixed sex space and therefore can't use, or who cannot protest against a male being included in their sports without being excluded from said sport. In the latter case, the very inclusion of a man for a spot in a women's contest of any kind must mean excluding an actual woman. Those spaces are limited.

Do they? I’d say that men do pretty well on those fronts.

Are they included?

Feel free to do some research on the education, employment, health, wellbeing outcomes etc for transwomen, you will see the outcomes are consistently lower for this demographic.