JKR vs IW

[ZeldaFighter]

Are we going to talk about this? I think JKR was feeling a bit grumpy today 😀

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-india-willoughby-twitter-gender-b2507309.html

I am a bit worried that "naice" people will think JKR is being horrid.

I might have to open the popcorn after all.

Yep. And make a TW pretending to be a real woman the actual misogynistic hate crime it is.

The next thing to challenge is the ridiculous notion of “non crime hate incidents”. One should be free to call someone a narcissistic male without any record of any sort made against you.

NCHIs are a disgrace.

They could have been a useful tool - helped the police to track escalating patterns of behaviour & prove that a crime was motivated by hate as an individual has a pattern of targeting individuals who share that protected characteristic. Ideally the recording of NCHIs would have kept people safe & perhaps even prevented escalation to hate crimes.

Instead, of course, we have one group reporting stickers, tweets, funny looks & for all I know “breathing without my permission” - & it being acted on. They are openly manufacturing these non-crimes; seeking out situations where they can claim a NCHI has occurred… & the police are jumping straight to it. With, seemingly, the CPS [having been] on board in some places to try to stretch the definition of “crime” too. Such a marked contrast to how they treat actual hate crimes against disabled people - & of course it’s not a hate crime to rape a disabled woman because she’s physically more vulnerable, that’s just being a sensible rapist.

IW’s description óf things sounds rather like IW’s description of what IW wishes had happened when IW got told “this isn’t a crime WTF are you doing bothering us?!”. All the fawning over IW & saying how utterly terrible it was that JKR couldn’t immediately be sent to jail without collecting her £200 for having the temerity to reference reality? Doesn’t sound terribly realistic. IW is absolutely stupid enough to lie about a NCHI being recorded against JKR; & JKR’s lawyers are going to make IW very sorry. Of course, if IW managed to abuse the system & get a NCHI attached to JKR, the great eejit[s] that did it are going to regret it too. I don’t blame JKR for not wishing to engage with IW, but after this I rather hope she sues the nasty creature for defamation…

Willoughby finally understands that misgendering isn't a crime??

Where the fuck has they been?

How can you set yourself up as a TRA pundit without knowing the first thing about the issue you're defending?

“I don’t know if that’s going to be treated as a hate crime, malicious communications, but it’s a cut-and-dry offence as far as I’m concerned,” she added.

'As far as I'm concerned'.

Inventing crimes and demanding the police act on them? Then when that doesn't work, stating that, in that case, the law must be changed to suit Willoughby!

Rolling couldn't have been more accurate:

"India is a classic example of the male narcissist who lives in a state of perpetual rage that he can’t compel women to take him at his own valuation."

Logic is not their strong point.

I see Willoughby labels women 'the swarm'. And I'm not even surprised at the dehumanisation any more.

The fact this has been recorded as a NHCI is absurd. NCHIs need to go. 'Someone getting upset by a woman failing to obey them' is not a police matter. Unless the police are investigating the one trying to coerce and control a woman.

It wouldn't surprise me if Willoughby was lying about the NCHI

The police have already been reprimanded over this nonsense.

J. K. Rowling having her words written down using laws not meant for any such thing, would not be a good look.

So does this mean JKR will have standing to challenge tNCHIs in court?

I agree re compelling speech but I so so wish this writer had used sex-based pronouns. I feel like “courtesy” pronouns are looking more and more absurd by the day.

That would just give the likes of India a stick to beat women with.

It slso wouldn’t be that surprising if the police were still recording internet spats with nasty words as NCHI. If there’s any truth to it It’s good of India to have declared openly that the police have done this and hopefully JKR can get her lawyers involved and embarrass the police into ending this authoritarian practice.

I don’t even think it would get as far as court. Didn’t Sarah Phillimore get her NCHI record deleted just by threatening to take the police to court?

Aren't the existence of NCHIs at odds with GDPR? I thought organisations had to have legitimate reason to keep personal data these days?

Or do the police have special dispensation to keep records of a 'thing that's not a thing' for the purpose of shaming/ frightening women into behaving lookingfor escalating patterns of problem behaviour?

'Example C:On Twitter, an individual (the subject) expresses their belief that a person’s biological sex is more important than self-identified gender, and that biological sex should be prioritised when decisions are made about access to single-sex spaces. The tweet is not directed at any individual. However, another individual (the complainant) believes it to be transphobic and reports it to the police. The reviewing officer assesses that the perception of hostility is irrational - the expression of a view that conflicts with those of other people is not an indication of hostility without further evidence. The subject’s views are an example of a person exercising their freedom of expression to outline a personally held belief and a reasonable person would accept the discussion as a contribution to a lawful debate, even if they found it offensive or disagreed with it. An NCHI is not recorded, and the personal data of the subject is not recorded. The personal data of the subject (in the form of the subject’s twitter handle) that was initially recorded by the call taker is also removed from the policing system.'

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/non-crime-hate-incidents-code-of-practice/

From College of Policing Guidelines:

'personal data should only be included in an NCHI record if the event presents a real risk of either:

• significant harm to individuals or groups with a particular characteristic or characteristics
• a future criminal offence being committed against individuals or groups with a particular characteristic or characteristics'

I'm wondering if its possible for the police to record the hurty feels without recording the name of the alleged perpetrator?

So a sort of legal elastoplast that has no actual impact.

Otherwise surely they're leaving themselves open to legal action?

“The tweet is not directed at any individual.”

In this instance, it could be argued that it was. But I don’t think it should be recorded as a NCHI just because JKR said IW is not a woman, any more than I should have a NCHI because I say that King Charles isn’t 10 years old.

It doesn't meet any kind of threshold. I mean by definition a 'non crime' should be classed as not meeting the threshold for police action.

That's interesting - so NCHIs don't have to relate to EA protected characteristics, it could be any old characteristic? Like, gasp, being a woman?

Yes.

Edited because I completely misread the post

'This code applies specifically to incidents involving the characteristics set out above, but there may be instances where a force deems it necessary to record an incident involving a different characteristic that is not covered by hate crime legislation. Although outside the scope of this code, in this instance, the recording authority should apply the same considerations as set out in this code, particularly in the context of the need to protect the right to freedom of expression and in relation to whether the personal data of the subject of the report should be recorded.'

how many NCHIs has IW collected for all the disgusting comments them has written on X?

I wonder how many have been recorded with respect to the characteristic of 'woman' vs the characteristic of 'transgender'?

Worth a FOI?

I think it's likely to be very few if any, because woman isn't a protected characteristic. Not quite sure whether you'd be able to FOI the whole country or have tk do individual police forces?