JKR vs IW

[ZeldaFighter]

Are we going to talk about this? I think JKR was feeling a bit grumpy today 😀

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/jk-rowling-india-willoughby-twitter-gender-b2507309.html

I am a bit worried that "naice" people will think JKR is being horrid.

The only response to India asking AIBU is yes.

Maybe India could do an AMA?

If India really DOES have a case, India can bring a private prosecution, can't them?

I must admit IANAL, and I have only heard of these things*. I have no idea of the criteria required, but as I understand it (in my limited awareness) the CPS only likes to bring a case if they can get pretty much a definite slam-dunk, because of a) cost to the crown and b) demands on the court system.

Just because the CPS won't prosecute, it doesn't mean that a case doesn't have merit - just that they have others more pressing and egregious they'd rather go ahead with. A private prosecution with a good basis (as India insists they has) can still be brought.

I await this happening with bated breath.

*Probably from Rumple of the Bailey circa 1970summat - it's lost in the mists of time

The Telegraph is going ham on this, there's this column

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/08/jk-rowling-is-right-a-trans-woman-is-not-a-woman/

https://archive.ph/6V6Ha it's lovely over the paywall...join us.

If the writer wants to use preferred pronouns, the logic is incoherent imo but compelling speech is a tra trait. Otherwise brilliant, especially the mention of the frightening nonsense being floated in Canada.

I think I saw another one, BRB.

Phew! <mops forehead>

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/08/police-will-not-investigate-jk-rowling-over-misgendering/

https://archive.ph/cT4wv I'm too tired to jump the paywall, but don't let that stop you.

I think IW could go for a private prosecution. If, perhaps, IW set up a crowdfund or there was a no win, no fee type willing to take it. JKR obviously has the money and contacts to defend herself, but someone might take a punt for a chance of a big payout if she were to lose.

If India really DOES have a case, India can bring a private prosecution, can't them?

I must admit IANAL, and I have only heard of these things*. I have no idea of the criteria required, but as I understand it (in my limited awareness) the CPS only likes to bring a case if they can get pretty much a definite slam-dunk, because of a) cost to the crown and b) demands on the court system.

Just because the CPS won't prosecute, it doesn't mean that a case doesn't have merit - just that they have others more pressing and egregious they'd rather go ahead with. A private prosecution with a good basis (as India insists they has) can still be brought.

This is what happened with TRA Giuliana London who when the CPS declined to prosecute Venice Allan and Linda Bellos for malicious communications brought a private prosecution. It failed because the CPS took it over and threw it out of court.

www.2harecourt.com/2018/11/30/gudrun-young-successfully-defends-leading-feminist-anti-racist-campaigner-linda-bellos-obe/

Police will not investigate JK Rowling over ‘misgendering’ trans activist

Harry Potter author’s description of Loose Women host India Willoughby as a male narcissist ‘did not meet the criminal threshold’

Ooh, feel the burn.

I have a sneaking feeling that if the complaint had been made against some not very well known tweeter that the police might have done one of those long drawn out investigations as to the merit of the case, involving seizing computers etc..

But suspect even if there are a few rainbow flag wavers in Northumbria police, that the idea that they could get away with the process is the punishment tactic against JKR just wouldn't be thought possible. Knowing she would give daily updates on the "process".

However, whatever the reason they are not proceeding, ie not even compiling evidence for the CPS to decide on, could become a significant mile stone.

And hopefully more people could feel reassured about this even if the BBC thinks it can punish a presenter for referring to someone by their biological sex.

Seems like another win to add to JKR's score card?

Seems like another win to add to JKR's score card?

Chief amongst the Terven Academicals?

IW’s response. Hopefully JKR can shed light on and tackle non crime hate incidents next…

"Life is shit and then you die" as my DF is wont to say.

How about making misogyny a hate crime?

That would keep the police really busy.

Yep.
Make misogyny a hate crime, and make biological sex a protected characteristic.

It’s shocking (or should be, but probably wouldn’t surprise anyone) if it has been recorded as a NCHI. I thought there were new guidelines that meant it wasn’t to be used for things like this any more

Hopefully JK can challenge it.

They shouldn't be keeping a list of non crimes.

So if JKR isn’t prosecuted for calling a man a man*, I presume it’s OK for us to do that on here then?

(*How the fuck did we get to the point where this is something anyone actually has to say?)

Hopefully Willoughby's kidnap threat was recorded in like manner?

Quite. If it isn’t a crime the police shouldn’t be involved - they should just tell Windbag that if Windbag wants a prosecution then Windbag can bring a civil case.

lol at India's shock and horror that a crime has to be committed for JKR to be arrested. 😂

JKR will be absolutely on top of any NCHI being recorded against her.

They'd have to arrest themselves

Scotland's long awaited misogyny bill will cover, to absolutely no one here's surprise, males with special gender feels -

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/feb/22/ill-set-no-limits-on-which-women-to-protect-from-hate-says-helena-kennedy

Quite. On both counts.

Is Caolan’s tweet still there? I’m getting “Something went wrong. Try reloading.”

Weird.

Hatey Kopkins has involved herself now.