Will Labour introduce Self ID & curb free speech?

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I’ve never voted Tory, but as a lesbian woman who plans to have children (and obviously as a woman!) I am and will be part of the three groups most affected by Gender Ideology; women, lesbian and soon I hope a Mother. I am really worried about what happens when Labour takes power. The Tories have been rubbish no arguments there but at least they are finally moving against the steam rolling of Gender Ideology. I’m thinking Labour are not that fiscally different to the Tories and have said they will not cap bankers bonuses and they don’t intend to increase public spending in a significant way.

Really concerned about more gender identity clinics popping up under Labour and Keir Starmer possibly curbing free speech via so - called hate laws (in the feminist circle i run in we all agree this is a euphemism for silencing women about men in female prisons, rape shelters and other areas where women are vulnerable).

wonder what everyone else thinking?

The leaflet was written by an undercover cop.

And what has that got to do with Starmer? Are you saying he covered that up whilst simultaneously giving free legal advice and assistance to Morris and Steel?

I agree 100% with all of this.

If Labour were going to renationalise the railways or do something to actually make life better for poorer people I might vote for them, but they're not. As far as I can tell they're Tory lite but without the free speech and with destruction of women's rights and child safeguarding as a central policy.

The Tories have brought in the online safety bill, which I think is an important first step to protect children of school age, like Molly Russell. Kemi Badenoch, Miriam Cates and most recently Nick Fletcher have been doing the right things on women's rights and child safeguarding. It's quite difficult to turn a tanker around, particularly when arms length institutions which should be politically neutral have been politicised and captured.

There's no doubt that the new guidance will have an impact on this and hopefully reduce to zero the number of adults working in schools who think it's their job to keep secrets from parents about their children believing they're the wrong sex. Interesting that the Guardian managed to find some with ease when they reported on it - see link upthread.

The new guidelines state:
"1. Schools and colleges have statutory duties to safeguard and promote the welfare of all children.
2. Schools and colleges should be respectful and tolerant places where bullying is never tolerated.
3. Parents should not be excluded from decisions taken by a school or college relating to requests for a child to ‘socially transition’.
4. Schools and colleges have specific legal duties that are framed by a child’s biological sex.
5. There is no general duty to allow a child to ‘social transition"

They're not perfect but they're a good start. Interesting to see how labour / transactivists will argue with these principles?
There's a thread about the guidelines if anyone wants to discuss specifics:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5009817-schools-guidance-consultation-closes-12-of-march-can-we-collate-ideas-for-responding

If Dave and Helen had faced significant harm from handing out the leaflet, and then it came out if was written by a cop, the scandal would have been magnitudes more serious than it already was.
Starmer was promoted to head of public prosecutions not that long after, a top job in the whole country, how many other 'campaigning lawyers' has that happened to?

I predict there will be more tragedies in mixed sexed toilets that are replacing single sex toilets too.

It’s all so depressingly predictable.

Safeguarding is about prevention.

Of course they bloody will.
You have only to look at what they are doing with their own women members whilst they are in opposition.
Give them some power and they will demonstrate the fascism of the left.

That's quite some political DARVO you've got going on there.
The left is not where fascists come from. In fact many political experts would say there is no such thing as left wing fascism, as fascism is essentially far right ideology.

So you’re saying Starmer knew at the time that London Greenpeace was infiltrated by undercover cops and not only covered it up but at the same time assisted Helen Steel and Dave Morris for years with their case? This is just madly conspiratorial. Helen Steel and Dave Morris have never made this accusation about Starmer (as far as I’m aware). I’m no fan of Starmer but you can’t just make stuff up with zero evidence.

yep

Lol you’re bonkers 😜

Name calling now?

The issue with the LGBTQ lunchtime clubs is that it is not really so much about the LGB, but the TQ. This is causing young gay people to believe they are "really trans". Also, other vulnerable pupils are swept up into the Q+ - those with autism and those with mental health issues.

''UK Labour has indicated that it wishes to remove the spousal exit route clause from the Gender Recognition Act (GRA).''
If one party can decide to fundamentally change the meaning of a contract, this will have wider implications, and a human rights lawyer should understand that.

https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/the-spousal-consent-clause-in-the-gra-an-important-protection-for-women/

More of an observation.

Okay, you do you.

Totalitarianism is of both the Left and the Right. Fascism is now an over-used 'trope' used to categorise opposing views, and a concept that most people using it don't even understand.

Quite.
I don't think the left wing in the UK can be described as totalitarian though. Its the "they are all as bad as each other" line to shut down our democracy.
The right wing are more totalitarian but even they aren't that bad compared to Putin for example.

" A major theme in left wing propaganda is opposition to fascism. Quite often relatively moderate opponents of the left are described as “fascists”.Yet scratch a “Communist” and one quite often finds a fascist underneath.The regime that began with the October Revolution is now a fascist dictatorship. In China too, since the defeat of the Cultural Revolution many revolutionaries have been executed and the right to speak out freely, hold great debates, put up big character posters and so on has been officially and formally repudiated"

I think its social media contagion and tik tok etc more than school LGBTQ clubs. Children now have an online life that arguably is more important and influential that the real world.

Teachers are at the sharp end of trying to manage that.

These school clubs are completely toxic and inappropriate, especially among the younger ages where they appear. It's just not the way to help kids come to terms with their sexuality, whether they are gay or straight or anything else.

Please done watch this Siglebox; its really going to fry your brain;

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Can you post a brief summary?

What does "fascist" mean in that article?
Also "communists" don't represent the left wing in the same way "fascists" don't represent the right. Communism is one type of left wing movement, fascism is one type of right wing movement. They are the extreme left/right movements but there are still big differences between them (fascism is individualistic whereas communism is collective for example).

We are not at any risk of a communist government in the UK but arguably we are at risk of a fascist government as a lot of the current Reform/Conservative rhetoric draws on fascist ideas.

Same in the USA - in fact probably more so with Trump.

I base my observations on the deeds of the Labour Party and what they've done to Rosie Duffield and other women suggest totalitarian tendancies to me. They very much want to silence women who would like to speak about basic observable biological reality.

Their deeds are all a bit 'four legs good, two legs better' or in fact 'women with vaginas good*, women with penises better'

*Not really obviously, they just like to pretend as with so many things. The misogyny is actually quite plain.