Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 5

[ickky]

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

OMG - she teaches English language.

NS - I am not known as a Trans ally publicly.

So she went looking for shit on sm?

Sounds like it.

NS: Not sent directly to me. In my teaching I'm not massively publically known as a t rights ally so students wouldn't have known to contact me.
It affects several people who are very close to me personally

Are all the OU's witnesses going to be this batshit do we think?

I hope so @Signalbox

I wrote it down. She said 'I went looking'.

J: You say your ideology and experience led you to think GC = transphobic. In your WS - 'it seems to me that this terminology originated from need to put out anti-trans arguments'

NS: when I saw people calling themselves trans exclu and also GC - they are the two same groups of people

NS released

Back on Monday at 10am

Oh judge it will get worse

"Could have been worse I guess" said the judge.

"Rest your voice Ben" said Jo.

It seems to be one after the other that have extreme views. This is not good news for academia.

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
That's better.
<Looks for drink like Father Jack>

She was skirting around not saying 'terf', wasn't she?

I haven't seen anyone describe themselves as 'trans exclusive', only GC.

I think it speaks to the point of why the GCRN both was needed and didn't already exist

Well this week was fun. Wonder what next weeks witnesses will bring?

NS delivered well-received conference paper on the fact that text could be removed from The Gruffalo and it would be a narrative poem.

https://twitter.com/violawiegand/status/1022447469999874049?lang=en-GB

In all seriousness ickky, it's incredibly alarming. And I've just seen the Gruffalo link ffs.

I've just googled and the OU has 1200 academic staff and 900 post grad students. So 18 out of 2100 is less than 2% overall - the question is are they representative of the whole or just the extremists?

Good find @RethinkingLife (and it's an interesting point, maybe she should stick to her field) - but I think in that discipline, unlike some others, conference papers are not peer reviewed.

No, and I bet there are more GC students than trans.

Also, all the 'distress' of trans students about setting up a research network to research the reality of biological sex. This is what happens if you commit the abuse of telling people that other people talking about science means they hate you.

These people mentally abuse confused young trans people and make them feel scared of everything as a tool to enable their zealotry and bullying.

On Monday I think we have Williams, Bowes Catton and Shakesheft, not necessarily in that order. That's 2 and half hours cross exam according to BC's estimate.
Are we also expecting Dr Drake?

Encouraging this lack of resilience in young people in relation to reality is really not very kind.

Thank you for all the times you've made me laugh today. Your comments are offsetting, to some extent, the awful realisation that the world has indeed gone mad and academia could be lost.