Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 5

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

If I was working on a document with others, one I thought important, I would absolutely make sure I knew who else was also working on it. Keeping records is important.

Certainly heavy.

But when she feels safer the sighs don't seem to be there so much.

Is someone hoovering?

Vegemite - 'If I was working on a document with others, one I thought important, I would absolutely make sure I knew who else was also working on it. Keeping records is important.'

Yes, you would want to be sure there was no GC spy at the very least

It serves them well to do so.

I am reminded of 'you can stop Ben, I think he's dead'

I thought the whole point about Google docs was you could find who amended what when.

@Sisterpita It is.

I see that as simple arrogance, and that she's never been asked to explain herself before, where she can't just shout 'transphobia!'

How would she know what the consensus view was across the Uni?

I don't think it's at all credible that she doesn't know who the other main players in the writing of this letter are.

BC: your interview - this is hurting people and it's not what I stand for or the OU.

HBC: it wasn't the view across the univ [how does she know?]

You can.

All the metadata is right there!

Yes, you would want to be sure there was no GC spy at the very least

That's one thing for sure, chilling. I was thinking of my OH who did some contract IT work for the civil service. A couple of times the system got messed up and the CS people blamed the contractors, not realising there was a paper trail of who had accessed the system. Knowing who has done what can be vital.

HBC: everyone who signed open letter take equal responsibility

"If I go down you all go down with me"

she is at heart a more honest person than some of the others.

I suppose she thought she would get away with it, having done so (at least) once already according to that article upthread. Getting away with it builds confidence. In is own way that article is also very honest. We ARE the good guys and we can do wtf we like to the bad guys and here's how we did it.

Personally I think we've got a few more tribunals to go before we see this ripple effect.

@ickky @Ameanstreakamilewide Thanks it’s a while since I used it.

Thank you everyone for keeping us up to date - this is fascinating!

Thanks from me too, this is riveting!

Fuck sake, my feed just went off and BC was about to kill HBC.

Has someone pulled the plug?!

Anyone else not hearing anything?

Lost the feed from the court.

Bet it was HBC

I want Clerk Debra back.