Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 5

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

We're back

Ok audio back

This wouldn't have happened if Debra was our clerk today.

Sorry who is this?

Oh no, she runs a tight ship.

Witness - 'Disenfranchised minority'

NS: I was trying to get univ to listen. Hoping there would be enough of us to take us seriously

BC: Plus send msg to GCRN and make their lives less pleasant.

NS: No. Not standing agst GCRN. Standing in solidarity with my students and colleagues.

This is NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language

Nicola Snarey

OMG - more word salad.

Standing in solidarity again.

This is reminiscent of the "we only talked about football" from Allison's tribunal.

Do they never consider the harm to GC staff and students.

At least it's audible word salad

The common thread is all about trans harms, and nothing about adult human women harms.

They need a bundle assistant.

Yes! When they'd clearly agreed what they were going to say

Best justification ever this for the setting up of LGBA.

Especially when it is women saying these things. It is like they think that women are seen as equal, so now let's go onto the next thing.

They all pay lip service to respecting the right to believe differently, but again it's clear they do not.

I retweeted a post about a transphobic terf network, but I didn't mean to endorse it...!!

Bullshit

BC: were you merely adding your voice in solidarity when you retweeted that abusive tweet and the GCRN

NS: I just meant to retweet a v distressed student ambassador. To show staff had solidarity. V sorry if that caused distress. I didn't know that tweet would've caused that level of distress

It's almost identical justification to the one LD made re the same tweet.

BC: You retweeted a number of tweets cos you thoght GCRN was transphobic without thinking about members of GCRN

NS: Yes but in my experience the GC people get listened to, have power, get the platforms and it's the t and nb people who are sidelined.

BC: But this is the only GC network cos of the reaction from academia to them

Obviously only matters if staff had ‘solidarity’ with GI students

GC students could clearly just fuck off - in fact why were they even coming to the OU and polluting their glorious purity 🙄