Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 5

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Wow.

@DarkTunnocks You may well ask! These 19 witnesses are people the OU have called FOR their case

I think you are hitting the nail on the head here. They are all here to make it clear how abhorrent Jo is and her views. They do not feel they are having to justify themselves at all. They are here to tell the world how terrible Jo is.

CW is now "trying to differentiate between "network with a small 'n' "
or ...

I don't know. Some other bollocks

I would bet my house they use a terf blocker on Twitter so think everyone sees them as reasonable and right, akin to those living in religious communities.

You would think the OU would have chosen witnesses that were level headed, apart from Ian Fribbance, they all seem to be TRA's .

Are these comrades staff or students?

In the Gibson's Bakery v. Oberlin Case weren't there some e-mails that showed staff were actively encouraging a student mob to picket the bakery?

Fans DarkTunnocks who has fallen into faint, and waves a caramel wafer under nose. There There my dear.

BC: not my q. I'm going to suggest you are again disingenuous and mincing words c what is being asked c this letter. Asking OU to treat GCRN less favourably than any other networks.

CW: no

CW continues to go a'weaselling again.

These people are morons.

Staff I think but not sure

CW - we took into account the record of the members of the research network

CW: we were not confronted with a Platonic ideal research network

Nobody is giving evidence in chief here, the OU witnesses aren’t led through their witness statements by their own side’s counsel; is it tribunal practice to accept the witness statement into evidence and go straight to cross examination?

yes @mushti

If I never hear the word 'harmful' again, it will be too soon

CW - there were people with problematic records with respect to students and freedom of speech

Or problematic.

Ah cool, thank you.

Look the answer is obviously 'yes' - yes they wanted to shut JP down but they don't want to admit that so they're self-identifying their answer as 'no'.

I.e. up is down, and we can trust nothing they say as they're liars - that's a fundamental core guiding principle of the ideology. The only one who had any competence or integrity was IF.

I hope BC now comes in with GC beliefs are WORIADs because these people definitely believe they're not and that they know better than the courts. They are totally misinterpreting the law left right and centre.

These witnesses love an opportunity to lecture - and it shows me that being in an actual lecture by them would be tortuous

Now CW is sounds annoyed

CW we do not object to the existence of the GC Network, just the OU platform and endorsement.

CW - one thing we were v clear about was that we were not asking the OU to shut it down. We didn't want them to have access to the 'brand'.

They all seem very reluctant to admit anything about the open letter , so the fact he admits he wrote it or co wrote it is an advance, although obviously it doesn’t say what Jo thought it says.As it’s an open letter, any chance some clever person can tell me where to find it?