Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

NS is a buffoon.

Best not call anything 'trans' network or such like then because that's provocative to GC people.

Do we need a new thread? Please @ickky 🙏🏼

I suspect he's mixing it up with something, but I don't expect it's the Spanish Inquisition... but then nobody would suspect that.

Aww I wish we had longer with NS. She really could be the final nail in the coffin for the OU.

BC: You say, GC thought that has transphobia at its core. Your perception of how GC people have behaved that made you reach that conclusion.

NS: Yes. The movement and the effects it's had on people I love

She's got a NB kid, i bet you my house!

At this point:
a) I feel more friendly towards IF if he had to deal with PK, PB and LD all the time and
b) I do not know how JP has held on to her sanity. These people are bonkers.

I hope Tribunal tweets are read far and wide.

I concur @Ameanstreakamilewide

Witness has seen the effect of GC on people she loves.
Shes got a trans child, ill bet

New thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

@Winnading I do have an identifiable name I don't use my full name as my tribunal name when I log in but it is in my email

Ben tonight

I hope he gets to rest his voice a bit, bless his little cotton socks.

But if you have a trans child why would you want to suppress research on the reality of sexed bodies?

Do you WANT things like the puberty blocker tanner stage 2 scandals to happen?

What has Erica been asked to do by the Judge? I missed a bit...

@pronounsbundlebundle I agree. IF had a much harder job than I thought.

What is going on right now? Confused.

Me too

If you've done it to your child then you don't want to find out you were wrong.

I think there is a technical issue with an observer.

Or:

https://tenor.com/6dtd.gif

Waiting for the conference host to join...

Sideways - I did consider a head banging 😂

Waiting for the conference host to join...
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5