Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

@CriticalCondition I think I have seen his name in the list of meeting attendees before now.

He's saying colleagues are 'ignorant' how lovely.

He's 'ignorant' about what the majority of the population think. They don't agree with him.

He's also apparently 'ignorant' that respect and collegiality goes both ways.

PK - I was stunned, stunned how ignorant the VCE are about these issues.

I would imagine he's running on seething rage and adrenaline. And biccies. Hopefully with a bit of awe at his own brilliance, and with the vision of a large gin on a warm beach in the future.

I do admire an academic discipline that makes a virtue out of woolly thinking. I'm in the wrong job.

You don't need to be invited to join a research network there was nothing stopping him being involved if he wanted

Oh goody, BC is going to refer to PK's demeanour and hyperbole in his submissions.

PK: It's a serious allegation that any of the people who signed the letter would have tried to shut GCRN down.

BC: I will suggest your manner and approach to this session as well as evidence from what happened points to another conclusion

PK: You can suggest away. Not the case. Would be an awful misrepresentation of my position.

Why would Essex have been persuaded to cancel an event with Rosa Freedman and JP?

These are the mysteries of our times and has a contribution to why the tribunal has been convened (in a very roundabout way) to address the issues at the heart of it.

"sometimes life is very painful like that" - I avoided naming Prof Phoenix but sure I was attacking her personally

Did he just admit to attacking the six GCRN network members?

Yes, he did. I'm not sure he realises it though.

PK mentions he worked with International Planned Parenthood.

PK pleading to the Judge to be allowed to finish.

BC: Allegations of bad faith re GCRN is allegations agst individuals. Actions called for would have affected those individuals

KP: starts on another spiel

BC: Not asking you why. If you ask univ to do something to GCRN with 6 id'd individual it would have affected them

PK: I'll answer that if you'll let me go off on ....

J: Please answer the q

PK: Yes it will

PK is so keen to get his views across he just doesn't care that he talks over BC and the judge

We've all been there. The arrangement with a friend for X mins into something, the pre-arranged message to say, "It's all grand, see you tomorrow" or "Oh noes, I'll meet you in 30 mins. See you soon" etc.…

Have planted a nice flower. Well worth it.

In short:

"I shall inform you of my identified reality of what has happened in this session, and you would be bigoted/wrong to insist your perceptions are different'.

The man's barking. They're all barking. Are my taxes paying for any of this? Why are we subjecting people to suffering 'education' from people like this? And why the hell am I in a job that requires responsibility, accountability, basic common sense etc as opposed to earning big bucks for just burbling random bollocks and instructing other people that they must perceive I was brilliant?

Cogent on the bingo card pls

PK: Also, I'm brought up a Catholic....

J: PK, I am going to stop you. We just need an answer to the q

The judge refereeing well here.

The judge stepping in again.

"I will have to stop you. We just need you to answer the question"

Judge intervenes again.

I'm so tired of this. How on earth does BC cope?

Is FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST JUST ANSWER THE CUNTING FUCKING QUESTION on the bingo card?

Ben - be as pedantic as you want! We need it.