Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

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OMG he is still going on

PK - I'm not really online. I sat down with someone who knows about Twitter.

He just keeps on talking and talking and throwing allegations around and Ben is trying to talk

I've been out for a while and I come back to more 'I am a Catholic'. Don't think I've missed much...

PK I am not online much, don't know twitter. 🙄

It's come full circle.

Oh Ben, I hope you get a bit of a rest this weekend, you are up against the most amazing fuckwittery EVERY DAY.

Hopefully this case will peak the judge.

Discussing why PK hasn't got the evidence of bad tweets from GC he alleges to.

PK: Let's accept that I may not have this evidence on me right now but isn't one instance of transphobia enough

BC: I am asking qs not discussing

Done some gardening

"We're not engaging in an argument, I'm asking questions and you're answering them" - we wish!

Gosh, he's an arrogant twat.

The impression I have formed is that PK et al research into the trans side of things ignoring the impact on women, whereas the GCRN wanted to look at things from a sex / women point of view. Is that broadly right?

Got it! I'll have to turn this bingo card into a sort of Jacob's ladder.😂
BIG BINGO DIBBERS ON ORDER!

Yep, he thinks he's in the Senior Common Room. Does the OU have such a thing?

One of the tweets that is in evidence is Jo saying "stop calling us a hate group, it's defamatory"

That's the evidence of bad tweets!

Message to my children: keep away from social sciences, please. Your mother's sanity couldn't hack it.

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OMG

PK: "... I've done legal research for example..."

I SO WISH I could have seen BC, JM and the Judge's faces up close when he said this. 😂😂He can't even understand you're supposed to answer questions not engage in debate in a tribunal!!

Nearly done Ben.

My BP is a bit high at the moment and I'm laying all the blame on LD and PK. I'm going to rest and catch up later.

Yes, unless women EXISTING and observing the scientific fact of binary sex in humans is transphobia, then no, you don't have evidence