Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

He’s such an argumentative active prick. And he’s just answered yeah-no to the Judge’s question. Prick.

These people are morons.

Fuck me he's irritating.

He's insufferable.

No PK your worst competency is not the bundles...

He's so up his own arse.

Judge to PK

If there was no podcast/tweets and you were told the day before about the network going live, would you have objected.

PK Well, I wouldn't be happy about 1 day notice, but I probably wouldn't have objected or signed the letter, I have to think about it, yeah, no.

PK doing his jovial bit c moving files around. Look at me. Listen to me. I'm so funny, me.

Like LD did with her attempt at being cute earlier. 🤨

I suddenly feel like it's a good thing the OU called a thousand witnesses. If they are all like this guy they are doing JP a favour.

PK Released

NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language to start

But do you have a reasonably common name? I am literally the only person in the UK with my name. It wouldnt be hard to find me. I do have more than one email so i can hide better. But I'm not going to take the chance of having my workplace bombarded and all the other stuff that has been known to happen to dissenters.

NS has a nice clear loud voice.

This one is clear to hear.

I need a drink just to keep up with the fuckwafflry and I'm not even in the courtroom.

BC and the Judge are not being paid enough for this torture.

I like NS already! Wonderfully clear.

I wasn’t but good advice too. This is why I am surprised the witnesses waffle so much. It’s like they think they are having an academic debate rather than being cross examined.

Before we're done for the week, I fear the panel and audience will resemble Father Ted.

Did PK really suggest that trans people are being burnt alive because of people holding GC views? Really? REALLY really?!

Has he mixed up Jo’s podcast with the Spanish Inquisition? Easily done, I’m sure <rolls eyes>

The judge must be peaking so quickly she’s at risk of The Bends.

Why is she shouting?

But do you have a reasonably common name? I am literally the only person in the UK with my name. It wouldnt be hard to find me. I do have more than one email so i can hide better. But I'm not going to take the chance of having my workplace bombarded and all the other stuff that has been known to happen to dissenters.

You can type a short version of your name into the box. Initials etc.

Maybe I'm being dim but surely the reality of sexed bodies is actually quite important for trans healthcare and suppressing research into this is likely to result in harm to trans people?

PK said at the end that he was doing research into trans healthcare. How can he do that if he won't let anyone talk about the reality of sexed bodies? Mind blown. Just blown.

E.g. when you give young boys puberty suppressing drugs off licence for far longer than normal and then find out that means they have micropenises that don't develop enough for normal forms of SRS and ALSO prevent them ever having an orgasm. You know, that kind of reality of sexed bodies.

The judge has been asking them all to speak up.

Imagine being assigned this as your first ET (or close to first) as a Judge!

Baptism of fire!