Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

The Judge and the women on here seem to be the ONLY ones who listened to the podcast. Certainly Jo's colleagues don't seem to have listened, it's all about what someone else told them was in it.

NO mention of anyone being burned in it. Nothing transphobic in it from Jo.
Had there been, we can be sure there would be a queue of cops at her front door.

PK finding double negatives difficult.

41 guests/observers now!

PK - 'esteemed colleagues'

I think they are sending their best. These trans people and trans allies have found up to the present day
nice income stream,
lots of well paid jobs
a get out of (men’s) jail card
instant specialness
power without responsibility
easy vote win
allowed to bully anyone they want
access to women’s sports, changing rooms , prisons etc
easy way to the top in academia
sexual fetishes allowed in public
I think they have been extremely clever and dangerous

PK re GCRN: Why would you not include the esteemed colleagues who are already working in this area. It's breathtaking.

esteemed colleagues 😂

PK - GCRN may have been quite genuine in those aims but why wouldn't you include esteemed colleagues already working in that area? It's breathtaking.

PK self-iding as an esteemed colleague

I do not think PB, LD and this guy (PK?) care about transpeople at all.

PK has shown he's willing to disregard the preference of some to use the term transsexuals.

Gender ideology is a way for academic bullies to bully, apparently with impunity. It's McCarthyism, they enjoy denouncing people (for recognising scientific fact!!).

Just answer the fucking question!

Ha!

I also think OU are sending their best. I think if these people were in a more rigorous discipline they wouldn't have achieved these levels of success. But a discipline that clouds language and doesn't allow debate is perfect for people without the academic ability to develop a logical argument

I assume there was nothing stopping them joining the GC network?

BC: Not my q. You would have wanted to try to stop them setting up. That's why you're angry not to be incl

PK: We are angry that it's a fait accompli. No one working in LGBT area would be hostile to GC. No evidence.

BC: We've already seen some

Is fait acompli on the bingo card?

Lack of the ability to think critically? A pretty invitation with balloons on perhaps?

PKs phone has gone off.

PK turning off his phone. So accomplished. Esteemed. Etc

I think someone is calling PK to try help him out.

PK phone going off, judge tells him to turn it off, PK mumbles it is not a sabotage attempt. 😂

Might have been him phoning a friend

PK is totally exhausting. I don't know how poor Ben has the stamina to persist.

Sounds like PK has been in the public gallery watching on some days.

He's phoned a friend

He's been watching Who Wants to be a Stonewall Millionaire?