Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

'I was thinking about the LGBT network, the claimant wasn't in my mind at all'. BINGO

The GCRN home page

The Gender Critical Research Network brings together a range of academics and scholars who share a common interest in exploring how sexed bodies come to matter in their respective research fields. The network is also for those who share a common commitment to ensuring that a space within academia is kept open for rigorous exploration of issues of sex and gender, including critiques of gender norms and stereotypes and conceptual interrogation. We provide a hub through which theories and research can be shared and exchanged, via maximally accessible academic events and an active distribution list. We aim to foster evidence-based and rigorous research in this burgeoning field and explore ways to foster maximum knowledge exchange, impact on policy and ideas and dissemination.
We encourage membership from across all faculties and from outside the University. We also encourage involvement from PGR, academics and researchers who are interested to understand and know more about what is meant by gender critical research.

www5.open.ac.uk/health-wellbeing/research-themes/gender-critical-research-network

PK - To be frank I wasn't thinking about the claimant. I was thinking about the LGBT network. I wasn't thinking about the claimant at all.

Too right.

PK: To be frank I wasn't thinking about the claimant. I was thinking about the LGBT network. The claimant wasn't in my mind at all.

[To Claimant, add women. Ever.]

The advice I had when I was a witness was:

• answer the question clearly. Then expand if necessary
• Talk to the judge
• Talk slowly as the panel take notes
• Be honest, don’t worry if you think it undermines the case, that’s my job (barrister).

He is so verbose.

Please could someone point me in the direction of the savage minds podcast?

Is there ANY evidence that he isn't hostile to GC networks?

@Sisterpita I was told - if the question is "do you know today's date?" then the answer is yes (or no). If they want to know what the date is, they will ask you "What is today's date".

PK: I am not in any way hostile to GC research. I am here to tell you the truth that I'm not.

iirc, GCRN wanted the right to conduct research that didn't start from a foregone conclusion. E.g., a wider evidence base than Harper's tiny sports study.

Linda Blade's book likewise highlights scant evidence for GI assertions and its disproportionate impact on international governing bodies for sports.

"N=8" denotes the number of male born runners it took to change the rules of sport for ALL female athletes in the world across ALL sports.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) changed transgender participation rules in 2015 based upon a single flawed study of eight male runners who self-reported a reduction in their running times after undergoing hormone replacement therapy."

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4279311-Coach-Linda-Blade-The-End-of-Womens-Sport-Plus-N-8-website

I genuinely think he feels he is really teaching BC a lesson. It's always astonishing how delusional some people can be

https://savageminds.substack.com/p/jo-phoenix#details

https://savageminds.substack.com/p/jo-phoenix#details

'gesture of solidarity' motivation for signing the letter. Seems witnesses are coached to say this.

He's telling Ben off.

Ben pointing out that no one seems prepared to admit they support the letter they signed.

He's another one who 'authors' letters.

Network was set up nefariously. 😂

Thanks Icky :)

PK: My personal motivation in signing letter is gesture of solidarity.

BC: c what letter setting out to do.

PK: And you've already covered this with me SO MANY TIMES

Ben...."your purpose.... they were not welcome in the OU" Witness "Absolutely not" Ben [does not clarify] oooo!

Lol at this. Poor chap thinks he's on Twitter 😂

BC finished with PK

Judge to question now.

Unthinking and groundless support isn't solidarity—it's Lifton's 8 criteria for thought reform.