French gynaecologist ignites row over refusal to treat trans woman

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I don't really understand why threads about this get zapped but here is a Times article about the French gynaecologist:
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7ed8884c-53cc-11ee-abb5-ce4135341f1b?shareToken=e5a7e3396938f2b02d7226ec4d195cd7

Sorry, picturing a non-frontal birth like a rugby ball leaving a scrum. Bit bewildered by the phrase.

And apparently 336 people have chosen to have their babies with us.

So any person can book to have a baby with them? Even someone not pregnant?

How inclusive.

Although weirdly approx 49% of people of child bearing age will never be able to have a baby.

"People" give birth, but they give birth to "boys" and "girls"? Will those girls grow up to be "people" if they decide to have babies in their turn? Is the hospital being transphobic by "assigning" a sex to these babies?

"Wear period underwear: By offering a sense of comfort, freedom and security, period underwear can help you feel comfortable, affirmed and empowered throughout your cycle. Check out our Women’s briefs and All Gender collection."

Are we ACTUALLY living in a world where men are being encouraged to wear period products to feel "empowered" during their made up "cycle"?

Years ago there would have been a more accurate name for these men.

We are enabling a new generation of very ill people.

How is this any different than a doctor encouraging someone who thinks they are Queen Victoria to wear a tiara, or someone who thinks they're Napoleon to wear an eyepatch?

Affirming a delusional unreality is NOT good for anyone.

There's one currently on a local Facebook group asking for recommendations for either a gynaecologist or forceps (the mind boggles — surely not the sort used in childbirth?) because she's got a menstrual cup stuck up there and A&E couldn't locate it.

Maybe a Dyson would help?

I'm assuming the ModiBodi ad is directed at transmen - trans-identified women?

(Who also seek affirmation by trying to change everyone else's perception of reality ...)

My son was back to back and I was on all fours face down, I have to say that did not feel to me like it was really a frontal birth...... Neither did my DD when I had her standing up. If anything a frontal birth means a c-section, no? that is literally on your front.

But in chapter 25 of the Big Book of Inconsistency why would a woman who loathed her body feel empowered by a menstruation product?

I'll give it a go

Because the pants are an All Gender Garment and just underpants like everyone wears that just need chucking in the wash, and not a pad, tampon or cup like women (triggering) use for periods (triggering) that have to be disposed of in a bin or cleaned (triggering).

Marks out of ten?

Ha! Excellent effort.

It still wouldn't surprise me, in the slightest, if they were offering period pants to men.

I suspect they want both sexes and all genders to use them, and are therefore fudging the language just enough to not be specific.

Give @Chersfrozenface a 1st class gold stamp!

Look, people with this sot of - probably unacknowledged - cognitive dissonance need help. I feel a bit bad mocking or joking about their beliefs.

But if they are going to force the rest of us (ie 99% of the population) to change our fundamental knowledge, then maybe the mockery is deserved

so conditioned to #bekind I know

Oh, absolutely

"I'm wearing period pants, I'm a real woman."

And does an accurate portrayal of certain modes of thinking* count as mockery?

*Have to he careful with the adjectives, I can't keep up with the the ones we're not allowed to use, however apposite the may be

There's probably, in some cases, an overlap with the nappy fetishists.

Nope, definitely about trans WOMEN, not trans men. Here's the shite from the website in all it's deluded glory:

"Do trans women have periods? Many trans women have periods. Some trans women don’t have uteruses, so they won’t bleed as part of a monthly menstrual cycle. But the hormonal experience of menstruation can still be very real.
Some trans women undergo gender-affirming treatment in the form of feminising hormones. These hormones can result in a range of physical and emotional symptoms, including:

• Anxiety
• Appetite changes
• Bloating due to water retention
• Cramping
• Tiredness and fatigue
• Listlessness
• Mood swings

These symptoms may occur at the same time each month, just like premenstrual syndrome (PMS). For many trans women, this is their period. Having a period feels totally normal and fine for many trans women. Some even find it deeply cathartic and validating. But if your period symptoms are upsetting you, chat with your doctor about adjusting your hormonal regime so that it doesn’t trigger a noticeable cycle.

Tips for navigating your period as a trans woman. Here are some top tips for managing your period as a trans woman:

• Track your hormonal cycle: Use a tracker app like Clue to keep tabs on your cycle and any related symptoms. This is a quick and easy way to feel more prepared and in control.
• Wear period underwear: By offering a sense of comfort, freedom and security, period underwear can help you feel comfortable, affirmed and empowered throughout your cycle. Check out our Women’s briefs and All Gender collection.
• Do what makes you feel affirmed: Whether it’s seeing friends, experimenting with different self-care activities or indulging in your fave comfort food, do what makes you feel good during this time. It’s all about embracing who you are inside and feeling comfortable in your own skin.
• Seek support when you need it: Trans women’s periods are not well understood just yet, so you might encounter changes in your body that are seemingly out of the blue. If you ever get worried, consult your doctor. "

Utter nonsense.
It's hardly EVER about trans men, it's ALWAYS about trans women trying to blur the lines of biology so that we now live in an era where people question if MEN have periods.
Fucking mental.

That is epically bonkers!

"Some" transwomen don't have a uterus? Wouldn't that be ALL of them, what with them being men? "Some transwomen have periods", they don't though. None of them do.

There is no hormonal experience of menstruation for men, no matter what medications they are taking. They don't need a period tracker or period pants.

The whole thing is fucking insulting.

That’s really made me feel queasy. As if period fetishes weren’t weird enough, it’s even more disgusting to bring it into a public arena and try and get other people to participate in it. Why would a man need to put a menstruate cup in his cavity? What is there to be collected? Actually I don’t want to know the answer to that.

I have no doubt post operative trans "women" need their surgically created cavity attending to from time to time. The person who did the operation is probably the person who should do it, or maybe a tissue viability nurse or a urologist. Maybe the STD/sexual health clinic would be the appropriate place.

Prescriptions for antibiotics and maybe some sort of antibacterial douche would seem a possible need.

THIS LINK IS NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/

Here's the summary.

"Based on Gram stain the majority of smears revealed a mixed microflora that had some similarity with bacterial vaginosis (BV) microflora and that contained various amounts of cocci, polymorphous Gram-negative and Gram-positive rods, often with fusiform and comma-shaped rods, and sometimes even with spirochetes. Candida cells were not seen in any of the smears."
On average 8.6 species were cultured per woman. The species most often found were: Staphylococcus epidermidis, Streptococcus anginosus group spp., Enterococcus faecalis, Corynebacterium sp., Mobiluncus curtisii and Bacteroides ureolyticus. Lactobacilli were found in only one of 30 women
There was no correlation between dilatation habits, having coitus, rinsing habits and malodorous vaginal discharge on the one hand and the presence of a particular species on the other. There was however a highly significant correlation between the presence of E. faecalis on the one hand and sexual orientation and coitus on the other (p = 0.003 and p = 0.027 respectively).
Respectively 82%, 58% and 30% of the samples showed an amplicon after amplification with M. curtisii, Atopobium vaginae and Gardnerella vaginalis primer sets.

Sorry, the title of the study didn't copy over:

BMC Microbiol. 2009; 9: 102. Published online 2009 May 20. doi: 10.1186/1471-2180-9-1022_
PMCID: PMC2695466PMID: 194572333_
Microflora of the penile skin-lined neovagina of transsexual women

Yes it makes for interesting (if gruesome) reading.

I'm sure those who had their cavities constructed with the use of bowel tissue instead of penile skin have other problems. You only have to do a quick Google to hear of the horrifying things they deal with after the surgery.

There have been threads about it on this forum, they usually get deleted.

Anyway, whatever they make the cavity with, there is never any need for the services of a gynae, the use of a mooncup, or any other sanitary products.
It's not a vagina.

@FannyCann I'm assuming in that study where it reads 'woman' it means 'man' or, to be generous 'transwoman' and, similarly, 'vagina' means 'cavity' or, 'neovagina'.

Transwomen are biological men. Men don't have periods. The End.

The other stuff is offensive masquerading and fetishisation.