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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Roderic O Gorman (Irish Minister) tweet for trans visibility. Huge backlash in Ireland. Read comments under tweet.

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Leopardprintonsie · 01/04/2023 08:43

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1641832872771289090?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Just to add this minister is a gay man but as the comments show he has totally ostracised the gay community who are quite rightly very angry..
Some of the comments are hilarious but none support his trans agenda. Delighted!

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1641832872771289090?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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Farmageddon · 04/04/2023 11:44

For anyone who feels like they want to do a bit more, there are a few organisations springing up like 'The Countess Didn't Fight for This' which you can subscribe to, Laoise who runs it has been speaking out about the bonkers of gender ideology for a few years. Signing up to stuff like that makes me feel less alone and like I'm not going crazy.

Also, if anyone isn't aware there is a Gender Critical thread running in the Craicnet section also discussing this from an Irish perspective.

Leopardprintonsie · 04/04/2023 12:58

@Farmageddon I've been posting over on aibu also & the response has been fantastic. UK women have the chance to stop this in their country.

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3timeslucky · 04/04/2023 13:27

The Countess website is well worth a look. There's also Women's Space Ireland the the Irish Women's Lobby. If you're on the likes of Twitter give them a follow. A great way to keep up with what's hitting Irish news in this area.

Leopardprintonsie · 04/04/2023 13:33

I would love the Countess to come into primary & secondary schools to educate all about women's rights. Not forcing the trans sex education into primary schools.

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Leopardprintonsie · 04/04/2023 13:45

The trans groups are getting pissed off 🤣 how dare is women stand up & fight back!

Roderic O Gorman (Irish Minister) tweet for trans visibility. Huge backlash in Ireland. Read comments under tweet.
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1Week · 04/04/2023 13:48

It's hardly a mystery avalanche is it?
It's women who've found out and don't like it

Farmageddon · 04/04/2023 13:49

Leopardprintonsie · 04/04/2023 13:45

The trans groups are getting pissed off 🤣 how dare is women stand up & fight back!

It's hilarious how this has to be reframed as a mysterious avalanche of problematic emails to TDs, as if it's been orchestrated by the far right or something. Nothing to do with the fact that women in Ireland are waking up to the realities of this nonsense, and people with young children are worried about gender bollox brainwashing in schools.
How dare people question or push back, it must be a cult or something!

I mean, it still baffles me how women who argue against this are called TERFs, but they are the radical ones, they are the ones pushing something that doesn't make sense (except for in their own heads) and expecting everyone else to go along with it.
We're the rationals, not the radicals.

Beantag · 04/04/2023 13:54

Actually very interesting point on one of the tweets underneath his post that I hadn't considered before, why is the T included? Someone who believes they are 'trapped' inside the wrong body and seeks to alter their body could be straight, they could be gay, they could be bi sexual; what relevance really does it have to sexual orientation? It's just piggy backing off of the hard fought for and won rights of the LGB community.

3timeslucky · 04/04/2023 14:14

I'm not sure why the assumption is that Jana and her crew are behind "the avalanche". The women I know (myself included) who are writing to TDs are not and never will be part of Jana's group. There are many groups and many individuals active in this area. Some of those groups and individuals hold very very different views on other topics and may be coming at GI from very different perspectives. I'd much prefer if this was being understood as many many women from diverse backgrounds and beliefs all being driven to contact their TDs. This is not a religiously/conservative values driven "avalanche".

Leopardprintonsie · 04/04/2023 14:18

@Leopardprintonsie same, the TDs need to work with us & not just expect us to "be kind"..

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3timeslucky · 04/04/2023 14:19

@Beantag, it is piggy-backing off the activism of LBG groups and the rights they have won but it is also piggy-backing off the acceptance of LBG rights and people. Framing T as just the next step after LGB means some people are just blindly adding it into their inclusion basket without considering that a GI and sexual orientation are totally different things. Also, LGB rights never conflicted with the rights of other groups so they're nothing like the asserted T rights. LGB campaigns were for LGB people to be given the same rights as straight people (marriage, employment etc). There was no conflict. The same cannot be said for the T "rights" which trample over women's rights and protections.

SinnerBoy · 04/04/2023 14:30

Mystery avalanche, you say? Or is it just that people - mainly mothers - have cottoned on to your utter shit show and have found out that they do have a voice and how to use it, by emailing their TD to say,

"This is bollocks, please make it stop before any more damage is done."

Leopardprintonsie · 04/04/2023 14:41

3timeslucky · 04/04/2023 14:19

@Beantag, it is piggy-backing off the activism of LBG groups and the rights they have won but it is also piggy-backing off the acceptance of LBG rights and people. Framing T as just the next step after LGB means some people are just blindly adding it into their inclusion basket without considering that a GI and sexual orientation are totally different things. Also, LGB rights never conflicted with the rights of other groups so they're nothing like the asserted T rights. LGB campaigns were for LGB people to be given the same rights as straight people (marriage, employment etc). There was no conflict. The same cannot be said for the T "rights" which trample over women's rights and protections.

Absolutely this gay men & women always shared facilities sports, toilets etc with everyone else of their own sex no problem. They advocated for their rights to marriage, adoption, equality & rightly so.

Transgenderism is completely different. They have trampled & pissed all over women's rights.
And now these men are getting their big girls knickers in a twist because we will tolerate it no longer & the fight back has begun.

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ProudHag · 07/05/2023 12:26

I had the pleasure of speaking to Roderic on my doorstep yesterday.
Husband had opened the door and come to get me, so as I walked to the door I greeted him with a very friendly smile and hello and told him I have a question. He was all smiles until he heard it. "So, what is a woman?" His face froze and I could practically see the cogs whizzing around in his brain. I had to repeat it, and he asked “you mean in terms of trans people?” “No”, says I, “this is nothing to do with trans people. Just what is a woman?”
Roderic replies “A woman is someone who says they identify as a woman.” “That’s a circular reference, what is it to identify as a woman? Is it lipstick? A dress? Long hair?” He mentions the GRA, refers to someone with a GRA being a woman in the eyes of the law, so I asked “ok, so take away the GRA, what is a woman in, say, Iraq?“ He had no answer and looked like he just wanted to tell me to fuck off.
I had my fun seeing him tie himself up in knots trying to work out how to answer (how do they still not have a stock answer?), but I needed him to listen to my concerns. So I laid them out. I am tired of the rights of women and girls constantly being discussed in terms of trans rights. We are our own entity and we have our own concerns and we deserve to have them heard. I told him to stop dismissing us as right wing, bigots, religious fundamentalists, etc. I’m atheist, I campaigned for repeal, for marriage equality. I’m a left wing feminist and I have concerns and nobody is listening. I wanted him to see it isn’t that we think trans people are inherently a danger, it’s that the door is being left wide open for any man with ill intent. I urged him to see it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility - look at swimming coaches, scout leaders, priests - for someone to direct their lives in a way that gives them access to victims. And it’s not like a man even needs a GRA to access spaces, we’re now being trained to say nothing when we see someone who doesn’t belong in our spaces. It used to be that ‘good men stay away so bad men stand out’, but now it’s a free-for-all and the gatekeeping feminists had built is being dismantled brick by brick.
I referenced my 7 year old daughter and said I want to let her go into a changing room without fear that a male bodied person will expose themselves to her. I want my mother to be able to ask for a woman to care for her without being expected to allow a male bodied person to give her intimate care. I reminded him he is a green councillor, he is well versed on biology and what is needed for a species to thrive. I reminded him why women are nervous of any strange man, how our concerns were widely discussed following the murder of Ashling Murphy and it was taken as a given that men are inherently stronger than women and that fact alone puts us at risk. I referenced my lesbian friends who have been driven from their own spaces because they won’t accept a male bodied person as a lesbian.
I repeated over and over that he needs to listen to women and to our concerns. I speak to the mams in the school yard, I speak to my friends and my family, none of us are comfortable with women’s spaces being erased. It may not be a hot topic for voters now, but something terrible is going to happen because of it and there will be an uprising.
I actually felt like he was listening to me. At the beginning of the conversation I think he could have easily dismissed me, but when I got personal and told him my real concerns I do feel like he listened. I will be following up with an email to set out my concerns. I don’t expect him to change his stance, he is too far ingrained, but I wonder if it’ll make him think twice before dismissing objectors out of hand.

JoodyBlue · 07/05/2023 12:41

Well done :)

Tinysoxx · 07/05/2023 12:41

@ProudHag thank you. I think it takes real life examples to hit home. I really hope he was listening.

Forester1 · 07/05/2023 13:04

Well done. Sound like you were able to clearly articulate the issues so it may be that he’ll start to take a more considered view.

miri1985 · 07/05/2023 19:35

I'm raising a glass to you @ProudHag . I never get canvassers but even if I did I don't think I could say it that eloquently

ProudHag · 07/05/2023 19:54

I regularly have debates in my head, usually in the shower or when I'm driving alone, so it was nice to do it in reality for once 😆

DrBlackbird · 07/05/2023 19:56

ProudHag’s summary of concerns is clear and succinct. If only all politicians would listen and hear them.

Believerinbiology · 07/05/2023 20:20

Well done Proudhag. Can only hope I'd be a fraction as clear and composed as you if he knocks on my door.....although he won't, none of them bother with our estate.

Abhannmor · 07/05/2023 20:31

If only I could set out my thoughts - and control my temper - as well as you @ProudHag !

Feckedupbundle · 07/05/2023 20:34

I wish I was as eloquent as you ProudHag. Very well done indeed.

Datun · 07/05/2023 20:55

ProudHag · 07/05/2023 19:54

I regularly have debates in my head, usually in the shower or when I'm driving alone, so it was nice to do it in reality for once 😆

That's the way to do it. Hone your argument.

Let it trip off your tongue.

Coyoacan · 07/05/2023 20:56

Wonderful. I wish I had a quarter of your eloquence ProudHag